Rina
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Features of the Panasonic 254-257 bread makers.

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The bread did not work out again, I did everything strictly according to the recipe. What can be wrong?
Attention! There is an error in the recipe in the "native" instructions for Panasonic - the amount of water in rye bran bread. See HERE



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Bohemia
Good day.

The site is very useful, the head swells from the information, but you still can't make a choice. I would be VERY grateful for your help!
Today I have to buy HB as a present for my mom. I choose between Panasonic 2501 and 2502, (I tend to 5202 more, because the material of the case suits me more).
I read the instructions. But I also read that the declared functions are one thing, in practice - another. And that even in the absence of the necessary functions, it turns out to bake bread according to the necessary recipes.

Mom wants to bake, (in addition to the standard recipes) pure rye bread, whole grain bread (peeled, coarse) and sourdough bread.
Is this possible in these Panasonic models? Or is it better to pay attention to other HB firms?
irman
Anastasia, both 2501 and 2502 can bake anything. Choose which one you like best.
Bohemia
Quote: Irman

Anastasia, and 2501 and 2502 you can bake everything, the difference. Choose which one you like best.
Thank you so much! I went to look for where to buy.
Rina
Bohemia, if you really decide to buy 2502, keep in mind that although it is unlikely, an oven for the European market may come across - it does not have a program for dumplings, but there are programs for three types of bread (which are not in the oven for the CIS market) - Italian, sandwich and brioche. The stove for the CIS has inscriptions in Russian, for Europe - in English or German.

Is the case material chosen purely aesthetically, or do you think that stainless steel is better for some parameters?
Bohemia
Quote: Rina

Bohemia, if you really decide to buy 2502, keep in mind that although it is unlikely, an oven for the European market may come across - it does not have a program for dumplings, but there are programs for three types of bread (which are not in the oven for the CIS market) - Italian, sandwich and brioche. The stove for the CIS has inscriptions in Russian, for Europe - in English or German.

Is the case material chosen purely aesthetically, or do you think that stainless steel is better for some parameters?
Thanks for the advice.
Oh, and I already bought it. I’m even afraid to go and see what I bought ... There are two languages ​​on the box - Russian and Ukrainian. I did not open the box. I was persuaded not to check, because they said that they had sold a huge number of these HBs and there was not a single marriage yet. I didn't check, there was a long queue to check the goods.

Now I would still find shops with the "right" flour.)) Although the preparation of the sourdough scares me most of all.

And I chose a stainless steel for two reasons:
1. I was frightened by the review read on the Internet. A man bought HB Panasonic, and during the preparation of the bread, the plastic melted and ended up in the bread itself ... Most likely, there was a fake (it seems to me), but the recall burned into memory.
2. I have a multicooker made of white plastic. During active operation, the appearance has suffered, it looks somehow not very good. The plastic has turned a little yellow, the letters have worn off. I hope that the stainless steel retains its new look for a longer period.
sazalexter
Rina We have to try to buy a European woman in Russia, it is still difficult to find it even if you really need to :)
sazalexter
Quote: Bohemia

Thanks for the advice.
Oh, and I already bought it. I’m even afraid to go and see what I bought ... There are two languages ​​on the box - Russian and Ukrainian. I did not open the box. I was persuaded not to check, because they said that they had sold a huge number of these HBs and there was not a single marriage yet. I didn't check, there was a long queue to check the goods.

Now I would still find shops with the "right" flour.)) Although the preparation of the sourdough scares me most of all.
Your car for the countries of CIS (CIS)
Shop with whole flour, malt and not only on Savushkina 37, whole Kudesnitsa around the city in different places. White, Tverskaya flour "Extra" in Magnet
marinastom
Hello everyone, haven't seen each other for a long time!
Quote: sazalexter

Tverskaya flour "Extra" in Magnet
Do you constantly use it? Something I didn't like it since the fall. Maybe it was all the same with her? And then the second pack - and only tears, that bread, that pancakes - "floats" like a fool!
sazalexter
marinastom I use it constantly, there was a puncture, once and for a long time. Maybe the party got caught?
marinastom
Well, I'll try again, just white ends. But it used to be a miracle, what flour was, and inexpensive.
* Anyuta *
Quote: marinastom

But it used to be a miracle, what flour was, and inexpensive.

And I also use Ashanovskaya (deshova) flour - and everything is fine .. apparently it depends on the party
marinastom
Quote: * Annie *

And I also use Ashanovskaya (deshova) flour - and everything is fine .. apparently it depends on the party
We don't have Ashan. So we are struggling with what the local networks will offer.
Rina
Quote: Bohemia

Thanks for the advice.
Oh, and I already bought it. I’m even afraid to go and see what I bought ... There are two languages ​​on the box - Russian and Ukrainian. I did not open the box. I was persuaded not to check, because they said that they had sold a huge number of these HBs and there was not a single marriage yet. I didn't check, there was a long queue to check the goods.

Now I would still find shops with the "right" flour.)) Although the preparation of the sourdough scares me most of all.

And I chose a stainless steel for two reasons:
1. I was frightened by the review read on the Internet. A man bought HB Panasonic, and during the preparation of the bread, the plastic melted and ended up in the bread itself ... Most likely, there was a fake (it seems to me), but the recall burned into memory.
2. I have a multicooker made of white plastic. During active operation, the appearance has suffered, it looks somehow not very good. The plastic has turned a little yellow, the letters have worn off. I hope that the stainless steel retains its new look for a longer period.

The oven is for our market, so the dumplings will be
Since you did not check it when buying, listen to the stove at first - if a creak starts during kneading, read our topic "Breakdowns and problems of Panasonic" (it is unlikely that the same problem will come out, but several people have already encountered it).

The correct flour is, to begin with, normal bakery wheat of the highest grade. Or just premium wheat.

Feedback? Is the piece of plastic melted into the bread? How's that? I can’t even imagine WHAT had to happen for molten plastic to be in the BREAD. The fact is that the case of the 2501 and 2502 differs only externally. And inside these ovens are exactly the same (except for the yeast dispenser).

I have a model 255, the plastic has turned yellow on the back of the lid - you need to look out for this yellowness, you just won't see it. This did not affect functionality in any way.

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Well, that's right, I just got drunk.

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tana33
but I think why are these notifications not coming? where is everyone? why silence?
already started to feel panic

and then there you go, the third part))))

and I ordered all kinds of flour in the joint venture, now I'm waiting for my about 30kg order))))
how will I start, how will I start baking bread ...

yeast, again, I bought live ... ... got into debt ... 7 rubles ...

marinastom
Quote: tana33

yeast, again, I bought live ... ... got into debt ... 7 rubles ...
Yes, Chelyabinsk women are harsh. Not only the boxer in the store can be stowed, but also 7 rubles in debt ...
tana33
marinastom

Yeah,
.... There are women in Russian villages ...
... He will look - he will give a ruble! ...

Here's one already looked seven times))))
Tamar
I have had this stove for two weeks! Works and no problems with her! Simple white, custard rye, French with the addition of rye flour, cake, my impromptu with buckwheat flour and yogurt - everything worked out great. My husband is trying to stop me, but I got a taste.
I boast a little
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irman
Tamara, you are just great, and our stove is smart too
Wit
Tamara, share the recipe for bread, which is in the first photo. I would eat straight from the monitor
Tamar
Thank you ! The first is cake from the instructions for the stove. I did everything exactly according to the recipe. The taste is amazing, and even tastier on the second day.
Yesterday I baked milk from the instructions - a natural loaf!
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Tamar
Quote: Wit

Tamara, share the recipe for bread, which is in the first photo. I would eat straight from the monitor
Thank you. Easter cake recipe from the instructions.

Kulich
Select the ‘06’ menu
M L XL
Dry yeast - 2.5 tsp
Wheat flour - 450 g
Salt - 0.5 tsp.
Eggs - 4 pcs.
Sugar - 4 tbsp. l.
Vanilla sugar - 1 tsp
Butter - 100 g
Citrus juice. - 50 ml
Raisins, candied fruits and nuts - Full dispenser
Wit
Thank you Tamara!
Rina


Uh-uh ... keep in mind that "vanillin" is vanilla sugar! If you use pure chemical vanillin in such quantities, you will get an eerie bitterness, just transfer the products.

The teaspoons use vanilla sugar!
Vanillin is used in quantities "at the tip of a knife"!
Wit
Yes, we know it! It's just that vanillin is shorter than typing vanilla sugar. But thanks anyway
Rina
It's good that you know something ...and then there were cases when people didn’t hesitate to drink from two or three glasses of flour into the dough for cookies. A FULL PACKAGE OF VANILLINE. And in Easter cakes too ... and then they wondered why this dough rises so badly and tastes bitter.
Wit
Quote: Rina

It's good that you know ... and here there have been cases when people, without hesitation, thumped into the cookie dough from a couple of glasses of flour FULL PACKAGE OF VANILLINE. And in Easter cakes too ... and then they wondered why this dough rises so badly and tastes bitter.

What can you say here? ... It happens ...
Bohemia
Hello everyone.
Only today I decided to bake my first bread (at 2502). It will be ready at 21.15.))
I usually have no luck with the purchase of any equipment from the first time, and now I sit, listen to the sounds and think that I got a marriage. ((
When kneading dough, HB should make some sounds ??? I just remember someone wrote that HB worked in the bedroom and, at the same time, did not interfere with sleeping at night. That is, should it work generally almost silently?
My HB, when kneading, makes a sound ... how to explain it ... zhzhuh --- zhzhuh --- zhzhuh.))) My brother says that the sound is like a little creaky meat grinder. It feels like it's hard for her to stir the dough (the recipe is the very first, the usual, everything is clear according to the recipe). I'd like to hear how the rest of the HB work in the batch mode. I'll try to find some video clips with voice acting, although, of course, I doubt that I will find it. I didn’t think to record the sound on my mobile phone, if tomorrow I will still bake, I will definitely do it.

Oh, here's another! When kneading HB, the table shakes very much (ordinary dining room). HB herself does not walk on the table with a shaker, only the table is shaking very much.
marinastom
About the fact that the bedroom does not interfere with sleep, if only the deaf. We have it in the kitchen, we sleep behind the wall. It is audible, but does not interfere with sleep. And the fact that the table is shaking, I think, is not critical. Better, of course, to put on a work surface-table top.
Rina
In "Problems and breakdowns of Panasonic" there is a video of a working stove with a marriage. A normally working stove should sound as it sounds in this recording when the bucket is pressed by hand.

https://Mcooker-enn.icdself.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=445.0
If the oven feels like it's hard to knead the dough, check the consistency. The first post of this thread has all the links you need. Your minimum is "A guide to baking bread in a homemade bread maker", "Rule of a bun" and "Simple recipes for models of bread makers" (or a basic recipe for the main program from the instructions, but with a bun control).
Wit
Everything is fine with you, Bohemia! "... zhzhuh --- zhzhuh ..." is what you need. Someone joked about the bedroom. I read all 3 branches and I don't remember that. Akin to cooking borscht in the bedroom. Move the HP to a more massive surface. I suspect that you have a table ... ik on thin legs. Take a picture of the table. Again, I suspect that it does not shake, but vibrates slightly.
Bohemia
Quote: marinastom

About the fact that the bedroom does not interfere with sleep, if only deaf. We have it in the kitchen, we sleep behind the wall. It is audible, but does not interfere with sleep. And the fact that the table is shaking, I think, is not critical. Better, of course, to put on a work surface-table top.
Yes, then we will definitely rearrange it, just nowhere, all the seats are occupied.
Thank you, so there is a chance that I was lucky with this purchase. Even somehow suspicious ...))

In "Problems and breakdowns of Panasonic" there is a video of a working stove with a marriage. A normally working stove should sound as it sounds in this recording when the bucket is pressed by hand.
...

If the oven feels like it's hard to knead the dough, check the consistency. The first post of this thread has all the links you need. ...
Thanks a lot for the links! Of course, I studied the forum, but I haven't read everything yet. I read about the kolobok. But I have not seen the video of the marriage.
No, I have no such disgrace in terms of sound. Goosebumps ran from such a grinding.
But there was a slight smell of plastic. From the HB body itself, when I pulled out the bread. But everything is clean, nothing of the food got inside. Maybe for a new HB this is normal? ...


Everything is fine with you, Bohemia! "... zhzhuh --- zhzhuh ..." is what you need. Someone joked about the bedroom. I read all 3 branches and I don't remember that. Akin to cooking borscht in the bedroom. Move the HP to a more massive surface. I suspect you have a table ...ik on thin legs. Take a picture of the table. Again, I suspect that it does not shake, but vibrates slightly. Hello! More details: https://Mcooker-enn.icdself.com/in...on=com_smf&topic=197192.0
Thank you, you reassured me!) And then I expected silence, and there were some "whacks", so I got scared. And also, as for evil, this time I did not check the HB in the store and did not even put it in the warranty seal. (((The warranty was sealed in the box.
I read reviews not only here, but also on irecommend. Maybe I saw a similar review there. About the plastic in the bread exactly there.
Yes, the table vibrated, but strongly. I think this is not about HB, but about the table itself. One of these days we'll rearrange, we'll see.

(Something is wrong with my quotes. I have not figured it out yet).
Rina
In the message that you want to quote, press "quote", you get a window for writing a post with a quote already inserted (full text of the quoted message). Remove only unnecessary TEXT of the message. Leave everything in square brackets.

Panasonic is generally one of the quietest stoves. Once I was visiting a friend, whom I once taught the rule of a kolobok, etc. But then (when I was teaching) we sat in the kitchen, talked, I was ready for the sound of a working bread machine. And that time, a friend loaded the bread and turned on the hourly delay. Well, while we were chatting, the postponement passed, the stove began to work - I almost did not start hiccuping out of fright, such was a sharp sound from habit (my friend Moulinex). And I do not always hear Panasonic even when I am in the kitchen if the dishwasher is noisy or the washing machine.
Bohemia
The bread is delicious the first time! I liked it very much, and my husband said that it would be better a little drier. To whom - what. Here someone, on the contrary, tried to make it more juicy. It seemed to my husband that the bread was not completely baked inside.
She kept on a diet for a week, giving up sweets and starchy foods. Either I will find the willpower and I will not eat freshly baked bread, or - goodbye to the figure ((I will not eat, I will only try.

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Bohemia
Quote: Rina

In the message that you want to quote, press "quote", you get a window for writing a post with a quote already inserted (full text of the quoted message). Remove only unnecessary TEXT of the message. Leave everything in square brackets.

Panasonic is generally one of the quietest stoves. Once I was visiting a friend, whom I once taught the rule of a kolobok, etc. But then (when I was teaching) we sat in the kitchen, talked, I was ready for the sound of a working bread machine. And that time, a friend loaded the bread and turned on the hourly delay. Well, while we were chatting, the postponement passed, the stove began to work - I almost did not start hiccuping out of fright, the sound was harsh from habit (my friend Moulinex). And I do not always hear Panasonic even when I am in the kitchen if the dishwasher is noisy or the washing machine.
I know that. It's just that on other forums you can quote several answers at once in one message, but here I did not find such an opportunity.

I don't regret the choice at all. I chose for a long time, read reviews. I just have nothing to compare HB with, this is my first.) Well, not really mine - I gave it to my mother.)) We live with her in neighboring entrances, so I will run to her every day, like today. I'll look for a week or two and, if the relationship with HB does not deteriorate, I will definitely buy it for myself.
Bohemia
Quote: Bohemia

The bread is delicious the first time! I liked it very much, and my husband said that it would be better a little drier. To whom - what. Here someone, on the contrary, tried to make it more juicy. It seemed to my husband that the bread was not completely baked inside.

(PS Looked at a photo of the same bread, others have a sectional view of bread and it really looks drier ... Maybe my flour is not very good? I bought Predportovaya).

Reason for editing: avoid over-citing (especially with large images), leave only the necessary part of the post. If you need to write something "after", you can edit your message (like a couple of weeks) using the "Edit" button.
Rina
1. Do not cut the bread until it is cold. While it cools down, ripening processes take place in it. Did you cut it hot or warm? Therefore, the crumb looks damp. And it's harmful to eat very fresh baked goods.

2.When you write a message, below under the window of your message there are the last one and a half dozen (seemingly so many) of the last messages of the topic. Just put the cursor in your message in the right place, then go to the post you need to quote, and there you click on the same "quote". Where the cursor was, the quoted message appears.
vedmacck
Regarding the sound of 2502, I can say that I do not hear it at all when I am not in the kitchen. Good soundproofing in the apartment. Forgetting that the sound is still present, I decided to boast of a new acquisition to my mother, who came from the dacha, like to show how convenient it is - in the evening you fall asleep everything, and in the morning - fresh bread.
The fact is that the bedrooms are located behind 4 doors from the kitchen, even the sound of the dispenser (which is good) and the timer (which is bad) are not audible, but the living room where parents spend the night when they come from the dacha is behind the wall from the kitchen. In the morning I heard only complaints that my mother had not been able to get enough sleep. Although the bread itself was quickly eaten and praised, together with my purchase, and the idea was also expressed about the need for such a device in the country (there is a kitchen and bedrooms in general on different floors).
So the sound of Panasonic is a very subjective thing.

Especially for HP I had to buy a table in Ikea. Foam plastic covered with cardboard. So he walks with a shaker. The main thing, of course, is not to fall apart during the baking process.
Wit
Quote: Bohemia

But there was a slight smell of plastic. From the HB body itself, when I pulled out the bread. But everything is clean, nothing of the food got inside. Maybe for a new HB this is normal? ...
The smell of plastic should disappear after 3 ... 4 days. Do not worry. Why there is a smell of plastic, I told here:
https://Mcooker-enn.icdself.com/index.php@option=com_smf&Itemid=222&topic=169416.1940
Post 1946.
Rina
Wit, you can click on the title of the desired message Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502 (3) or Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502 (3) right-click and get a link to a specific post.
Wit
Quote: Rina

Wit, you can click on the title of the desired message Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502 (3) or Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502 (3) right-click and get a link to a specific post.
Thanks for the hint, Rina ! I did not know
Rina
nema for scho ...
Wit
Quote: Rina

nema for scho ...
And all one thing is right!
Bohemia
I knew that this would all end. ((Now my HB makes the same sounds when mixing, as in that video with marriage. It just seems to me that if there is a marriage, then it should have been from the very beginning or not necessarily, it may appear later ???
So insulting

I posted a video in the breakdowns section.
vedmacck
Quote: Bohemia

I knew that this would all end. ((Now my HB makes the same sounds when mixing, as on that video with marriage. (((Moreover, yesterday this was not. There is little chance that this is a one-time problem? It just seems to me that if there is a marriage, then it should have been from the very beginning or not necessarily, it may appear later ???

I already wrote that once my mixer creaked too - I put it unsuccessfully. Maybe it's not so fatal? Bohemiadon't worry, try rearranging the bucket and spatula.
Bohemia
Quote: vedmacck

I already wrote that once my mixer creaked too - I put it unsuccessfully. Maybe it's not so fatal? Bohemiadon't worry, try rearranging the bucket and spatula.
Tomorrow morning I will definitely try again. If anything, tomorrow I'll take it to the store, where the Sat warranty works.
Staf
With black figured out ... yeast 50 to 50 .. nothing else is needed.

But with white there is still a gap.

What recipe would you recommend delicious and the second option so that it looks like a purchased loaf in terms of density and taste. (a loaf of white it turned out .... according to the main recipe).

Thank you in advance.
Tamar
Quote: Staf

With black figured out ... yeast 50 to 50 .. nothing else is needed.

But with white there is still a gap.

What recipe would you recommend delicious and the second option so that it looks like a purchased loaf in terms of density and taste. (a loaf of white it turned out .... according to the main recipe).

Thank you in advance.
: hi: Of course milk! Photo above Here is the recipe from the instructions:
Yeast - 1 tsp
Wheat flour 400 g
Salt 1 tsp
Sugar 1 tbsp. l.
1 tbsp butter l.
Milk 260 ml
This is size M, Menu 1 is the main one.
I did everything strictly according to the instructions, I didn't even look into the stove. The bread is excellent, very similar to a loaf.
DragoNika
Hello!
Develop my thoughts, please:

I'm looking here at the recipes for rye breads (including those in the instructions for the bread maker) and I can't understand: the rye bread maker program doesn't care what size the loaf will be at the output? And then if you count the dry ingredients in recipes for rye bread, then the spread is somewhere from 400 grams to 550.
Do I need to adhere to some kind of "golden mean" (let's say, measure exactly 500 grams) or is there no difference and just the loaves will be of different sizes?
I have a Panasonic SD-ZB2502 bread maker. More details: https://Mcooker-enn.icdself.com/in...ion=com_smf&topic=72478.0
Staf
On the rye program, the weight and crust do not change! Don't count anything.

Thanks for the dairy recipe, we'll try it tomorrow. Black until dinner is melting before our eyes. By the way, I added from another recipe in yeast 50-50, in addition to ground coriander 2 teaspoons not ground. The taste has improved.

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