Fish village. Team. Rich.

Category: First meal
Fish village. Team. Rich.

Ingredients

For broth
Smoked salmon heads 2 pcs.
Salmon heads fresh or salted 2 pcs.
Rump 500 g
Fins, ridges, and more
Carrot 2 pcs.
Bulb onions 2 pcs.
Parsley (twigs) 3 pcs.
Dill (twigs) 2 pcs.
Peppercorns 1 tsp
Bay leaf 1 PC.
For refueling
Melted cow butter 2 tbsp. l.
Bulb onions 2 pcs.
Carrot 2 pcs.
Tomatoes 400 g
Tomato paste 1 tbsp. l.
Sun-dried tomatoes 3 tbsp. l.
For the villager:
Pickled cucumbers medium 6 pcs.
Brine 1.5 tbsp.
Salted or fresh mushrooms 300 g
Olives 12 pcs.
Olives 12 pcs.
Capers 1 tbsp. l.
Melted cow butter 1.5 tbsp. l.
Crayfish tails or shrimps 200 g
Fresh pike perch 300 g
Salmon, fresh or salted
Greens taste
Sour cream - to taste taste
Lemon taste

Cooking method

Why "Selyanka"? Because - soup!
Everyone is free to think and count as they want and feel comfortable. But I have determined for myself the difference in names between soup and food, which is called the "second course". Soup - "selyanka", the rest - "hodgepodge". For anyone interested in understanding in detail, there are a lot of materials on this topic on the Internet.
I have tried to cook this great food many, many times. And I've tried many recipes. And so, based on this experience, taking as a basis the description of the preparation of this soup from Molokhovets and Filatova, I introduced some details into it, which, in my opinion, significantly improved the taste of the soup. Enhanced, so to speak, the brightness of this wonderful food.
And, forgive me, I did not weigh the products. I put what is called "by eye", but it turned out "just". Although, of course, some recommendations for the number of ladies. But! Still, you need to be guided by the taste of what you will put into your boiler, if you decide to repeat this process.

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This villager was preparing on the eve of the meat-eating (cheese) week, known as Maslenitsa. And, of course, guests were expected during this week. Therefore, I took a bigger boiler. So that, then, everyone had enough.
For broth, it is best to use, for example, salmon heads, rump, heads, ridges and other fins. I get such sets, like soup ones, from Globus. And necessarily from smoked fish and just fish. On my boiler, it has seven liters, I usually put two sets. The set includes a pair of heads, ridges, fins, etc. And about eight heads. They weigh a maximum of about five hundred grams. And of course, when I cut the fish for the villager, all kinds of ridges, fins and even a skin remain. All this is not harmful for the broth.
From vegetables I take a couple of carrots, a couple of medium-sized onions. Vegetables can be lightly baked in a dry skillet.
Any roots are white. A teaspoon of peas and a bay leaf. It has a very positive effect on the taste of the broth. If there is a hot dried pepper, then a small pod should be laid.
I will note that crayfish shells, claws and heads (only from the heads it is better to clean everything unnecessary) or even shrimp skins are also very useful for broth.
You can make a bunch of greenery. Tie twigs of three parsley and dill together and put on top.
Put all the fish in a saucepan, pour cold clean water and put on high heat. Foam, it will definitely appear. It must be removed and the fire should be slightly reduced so that it does not boil intensively. Wait until the foam ceases to stand out and send everything accompanying to the boiler.
Then reduce the heat to a minimum so that there is no boil, from the word "in general"! So… rare bubbling is allowed. Cover with a lid and let the broth simmer.An hour and a half to two.

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If you cook the broth as described, believe me, you get a very aromatic, rich broth. There will be no pungent fishy odor and no taste of digested fish oil. Achieved by languor!

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Remove all fish-vegetable component from broth and strain thoroughly. I always put two sieves. Still, small bones and scales will not add to the pleasure of eating. Just believe it.
The broth will turn out to be very rich, I repeat. Even with the aroma of a fire. This smoked head will give that feeling. Well, the taste, of course, turns out to be very ... rich and not harsh.
And there is nothing more to say about the broth. Let it stand and wait in the wings.
Yes, about the quantities. I got a little more than 4 liters.

Fish village. Team. Rich.

Now about the rest. About what the villager will then gather from. That's why she is the team.
A general comment, or rather a rule, from my point of view. All that from which the villager is going, one way or another, will have to be chopped and chopped. So, in order not to return to this question anymore, the size of the slices, which are cut, should be such that the spoon can fit at least a little, but not one product. I assure you - this is much tastier.
In my opinion, there are several products without which a villager should not be started at all. From the word "never". Because anything will turn out, but not a hodgepodge.

Cucumbers. Salty. Precisely salty. Such, you know from a barrel, so that with a currant leaf, horseradish and other dill there.
Why not pickled? In pickled cucumbers, in the process of salting them, lactic acid is formed. And in pickled ones, it is vinegar. The taste, you know, is very different products.
A glass of brine - one and a half is also needed.

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And you need to choose cucumbers, which is called "larger than average." But avoid soft ones. Of course, such cucumbers will already have a rough edible skin, so the cucumbers need to be peeled. And slice. Not very fine, elongated cubes like this.

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And now I will share the first of those tricks, or a nuance that I have isolated from numerous descriptions of the preparation of a fish villager and having tried it once, now I always use it. And I advise you. You will not regret.
We take cucumber skin and other accompanying cucumbers, leaves there and other crap. Pour all this with a glass of brine and boil. Five minutes. No more.
And then pour the contents of the ladle into chopped pickles. Do not forget to strain. And put out the cucumbers over low heat. Until the disappearance of, shall we say, the aggressive crunchiness of pickles. BUT! Here you have to watch carefully. Cucumbers should not be boiled, but slightly stewed. So that some firmness felt like a pleasant, delicious tenderness.

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Olives, olives, capers.
Everything is simpler - simple. But it's better to take those that are pitted, and you can take stuffed olives. Shrimp there, lemons or anchovies - these additions for hodgepodge are all harmless, I assure you.
About a dozen olives and olives each, and a tablespoon topped with capers.
Cut olives with olives into rings, but capers are not worth it. They are not large anyway.

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Mushrooms. If you have salty ones, then you are in luck. Only, I emphasize, salty. I do not recommend pickled ones. And all because of him, because of the vinegar. It is very good if there are at least two varieties of mushrooms. Ideal - boletus and milk mushrooms. In general, salted mushrooms just need to be cut if necessary. Otherwise, they are absolutely ready for the village.

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But good salted mushrooms are rare. But frozen ones are now found everywhere. And someone in the freezer has and personally collected in the summer.
With mushrooms, if they are fresh, the following nuance is associated.
They need to be warmed up in a pan and lightly, quite a bit fried.

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And send olives-olives-capers to the mushrooms in the pan. You can add a scoop of fish broth and a little, literally a couple of tablespoons, well, let's say, olive-olive brine. And warm up a little. Five minutes - seven, no more.
Place a lid on the pan and set aside. Until assembly time.

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Cancers.Since the villager is fishy, ​​and besides, she is also a rich team, it is difficult to do without them. First, the crayfish, of course, must be boiled. Preferably with pepper, lavrushka and dill. Immerse it in boiling water for literally three to five minutes and it will be enough.
We take out the very cancerous necks from the crayfish. Secretly, this is what the cancer contains inside the tail. Have to crumble, they are large for "one bite."
I have already spoken about shells, cancerous heads. They belong in the broth.
And the claws? You can also throw it into the broth, or you can even peel it out - gnaw it. Especially if with beer.

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No crayfish? Take two hundred grams of shrimp. Pour boiling water over them for a minute, then peel off all excess from them and grind. The replacement is quite worthy.

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And if the villager is fishy, ​​then you need fish. You know, even if you don't put fish in the pot, nothing will change. The fish broth will cover everything.
Although, once the cooked broth was used without my knowledge for something else, and I prepared everything for the villager. I had to replace the broth with just water. In this case, the fish is required! Let it cook for a very short time, but it will give the taste. As the guests once said to me, by the way, they were very sophisticated in Moscow - restaurant business, the village turned out like in the "Metropol". And it may well be so - he caters and is catering. A restaurant, a Metropol.
So that's it. I usually take a couple of medium-sized pike perch. There is not much difference - just cut into pieces, or mill the carcass. Well, you will have to eat more carefully, the bones will meet.
And some salmon. I advise you to take fresh. Although salty will not make the villager worse. If fresh, then after you cut the fish, you should add a little salt to it.

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Well. It seems like everything is prepared. It remains to prepare the gas station and it will be possible to collect the villager.
Refueling will start with onions. I highly recommend, regardless of the troubles that arise, to take such small heads. It is of course, while you clean them, while you cut them - you sweat. But believe me, it's worth it. And purely visually - aesthetically it will look very beautiful. Note that the tomatoes in this photo are still purely for scale.
And this dressing should be cooked in ghee. You can take vegetable oil, but cow oil will create a wonderful bouquet of flavors. If you dare to cook, see for yourself.
And then onion over medium heat must be brought to a golden brown state. Do not overcook only. Why do you need heartburn?

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Then the carrots are sent to the pan. Optimally - grate a couple of medium-sized carrots on a coarse grater. Mix gently. Simmer until the carrots are soft. It will be very harmless to add a couple of scoops of broth in the process. Remove from above, To with fat.

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Tomatoes. If we talk about fresh ones, then you definitely need soil ones. You know, so fragrant, sweet with a slight sourness. In a word - real. If such are caught, then it is imperative to remove the skin from them and grind them.
But such tomatoes are not so common nowadays, or they cost like black caviar. Therefore, you can use all kinds of canned food. BUT! In no case should you take pickled ones. Only in its own juice. Again, if the tomatoes are unpeeled, the skins must be removed. Otherwise, you risk getting incomprehensible rags in the soup, moreover, inedible.
And, of course, if you have jerky in stock, then add. You will not regret. A little necessary.
In total, you need to take three hundred grams of tomatoes. Well, if very good ones, you can four hundred.

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And in their pan. That is, tomatoes. Stir gently.
And yet I add a tablespoon of good tomato paste to the top. The dressing acquires piquancy and the taste becomes richer.
And simmer over low heat. It is necessary to somehow select the temperature regime so that it, the dressing, seems to be fried, but not fried, and stewed, but not in the trash.
Cook until the dressing acquires a grilled tomato flavor. It is necessary that all the tastes in the pan acquire a commonality, when there is nothing without each other.
Try it closer to the end.If suddenly there is too much acid, tomatoes are like that, balance the taste by adding a little sugar.

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As soon as the gas station is ready, we begin the assembly process.
I have a big pot like this. Kazan sample. And cast iron, too. I highly recommend having one.
The first thing to do is to send the gas station to it. Five to seven minutes, gently stirring, warm up.
And then add the cucumbers. They are, if anyone has forgotten, with pickle. I recommend that if cooled, then warm up to the boil.

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The queue of the contents of the pan with mushrooms and olives, olives, capers. We stir, not forgetting about the delicate handling of the contents of the boiler.

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Add shrimp, mix and let stand for a while. It is necessary to evaporate excess moisture, to ensure that the contents of the boiler do not turn into porridge, namely a little ... well, let's just say - concentrated.

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And ... we fill the already harvested, almost completely, villager with broth.
And although the broth has already been strained, I strongly advise you to use the strainer again. What if there is such a scaly left.
Stir and let it stand on "slightly above medium" heat until whisking appears. In no case should you allow some kind of violent boiling.

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It's the fish's turn. We carefully lower the prepared fish into the cauldron. I will repeat again, then that this is really important, from my point of view. Do not simmer. Let it take more time until ready, but it's worth it.

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When the pike perch comes to this state - consider it almost ready.

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And then it's time to bring the balance. If it is necessary to add salt, or to quench excess acid with sugar, for example. In general, adjust the taste of the soup in accordance with your idea of ​​the villager.
And, of course, greens. For my part, I can give only one recommendation. Do not get carried away with greens. You risk getting too much spice. It is better to add it later to the bowl with the ready-made soup, if anyone needs it.
Five minutes, turn off the heating and put the lid on the boiler. And of course, you have to endure. The best thing is until tomorrow. But, at least half an hour, let the villager stand quietly. If, of course, you can.

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And, of course, a slice of good, sweet - sour, aromatic lemon in each plate. I highly recommend it.

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Sour cream, believe me, does not spoil the villager, but it's a matter of taste. Someone needs it, some don't.
Angela at the meal!

Fish village. Team. Rich.


Chef
Luxury hodgepodge villager, Ivanych, thank you.
Ivanych
Health! It is, of course, troublesome, but believe me - it's worth it!
Kapet
It seems that the black caviar recipe is missing. And puffer fish ...




Quote: Ivanych
And put out the cucumbers over low heat.
There is no need to stew pickles separately. Throw the slices directly into the broth. Well this is not a pickle, where potatoes are also cooked ...
Ivanych
Quote: Kapet
There is no need to stew pickles separately

Has every right to cook as you see fit!
Jouravl
Ivanych, gorgeous villager, choked on saliva, though for me - a hodgepodge, we will improve. Delicious
I also do almost the same, and I carcass cucumbers, and I use white sea fish, and red and all the spices are the same. Only I never added mushrooms, it always seemed to me that tomatoes and pasta clogged their aroma. But you have to try, there are no salty ones, but there are always fresh ones!
Thanks for the recipe
Lerele
Ivanych, I once ate this, or a similar one, this is something incredible !!
Thanks for the detailed description !! I'm afraid I won't repeat myself
Ivanych
Quote: Jouravl
never added mushrooms

I can’t say that there is some kind of brightly punchy mushroom taste. But! When mushrooms come across on a tooth, the oranizm likes it very much.




Quote: Lerele
I'm afraid I won't repeat myself

Yes, come on! Troubled - I do not argue. You have to tinker. But it's worth it.
Jouravl
Quote: Ivanych

I can’t say that there is some kind of brightly punchy mushroom taste. But! When mushrooms come across on a tooth, the oranizm likes it very much.
Ivanych, I understood, since salty mushrooms are in short supply, we'd better eat them this way if they appear. Thank you
Corsica
Quote: Kapet
It seems that the black caviar recipe is missing.
this is not kalya, the addition of potatoes is also characteristic of it.
Quote: Kapet
There is no need to stew pickles separately.
In my opinion - there is, the broth is of a purer and more transparent color, and the taste is softer, but at the same time it acquires saturation and volume.
Quote: Ivanych
Troubled - I do not argue. You have to tinker. But it's worth it.
Ivanych, thanks for the detailed recipe!
Kapet
Quote: Corsica
In my opinion - there is, the broth is of a purer and more transparent color, and the taste is softer, but at the same time it acquires saturation and volume.
Solyanka / Selyanka liquid dish has never been a soup with clear broth. In early recipes, flour was added to it, and then tomato puree was also used, according to cookbooks at the turn of the 20th century. And the taste from the separate boiling of chopped sauerkraut does not change in any way, in contrast to how if these cucumbers are immediately dipped into a boiling broth. And the saturation and volume do not change - the placebo effect has not yet been canceled.
For the same reason, boiling cucumber brine separately is not at all worth it, - there is nothing so inedible in it that can spoil the taste of the hodgepodge without boiling it, - pour the brine directly into the broth, but before that the jar with the brine must settle so that the mud settles bottom.
On the site, there is no need to advertise here for free, you can download a lot of pre-revolutionary books with culinary recipes from well-known authors in their time, and not very well-known authors. So there are recipes for liquid solyanka / villagers when pickled / pickled cucumbers are cut to the consumer directly into the plate, before eating, to taste. Therefore, the question "to boil cucumbers in broth or separately" is probably akin to the problem of choosing "to break a boiled egg from a blunt or sharp end." The choice is yours...
Ivanych
Thanks for the tip. I will definitely watch.
Everything that you said has the right to be. BUT! I start my post with exactly what I say - I have deduced for myself exactly the algorithm for cooking the villager that I described. Everything that you bring in your reasoning has already been tried. I will not argue with you, everyone chooses for himself what he likes best. Does the taste change with how you use the pickle or cucumber? In my opinion - yes! Do you think not? Who's against it? So I don't see any sense in denying something or vice versa. Give reasons and describe all kinds of considerations about the chemistry of the process, for example? What for? I shared my experience and whether to use it or not - everyone chooses for himself.




Quote: Corsica
the taste is softer, but at the same time it acquires richness and volume.

This is exactly what I wanted. Aha!
Kapet
Quote: Ivanych
Everything that you said has the right to be. BUT!
Considering that there is no "classic" recipe for meat, fish, or mushroom prefabricated hodgepodge / peasant in nature, any recipe that observes the general principles of cooking this wonderful dish has the right to exist, that is, what distinguishes this soup from other soups, including pickled ones.
It is hard to imagine that your villager might not be tasty. Unfortunately, it is unlikely that I will be able to collect such a rich assortment of ingredients as you have in this recipe. But the pursuit of perfection is ineradicable. So of course many thanks!
Newbie
Quote: Ivanych
BUT! I start my post with exactly what I say - I have deduced for myself exactly the algorithm for cooking the villager that I described. Everything that you bring in your reasoning has already been tried. I will not argue with you, everyone chooses for himself what he likes best.
agrees, for that he and his recipe. You never know something somewhere, someone, sometime ...

It looks awesomely appetizing, the whole floor dripped with saliva
Ivanych
Kapet, Health!
And I completely agree with you. There is no strictly classical, only correct recipe for any food, in principle!
Corsica
Quote: Kapet
Solyanka / Selyanka liquid dish has never been a soup with clear broth.
I didn’t write about it.
Pay attention to the author's text:
Quote: Ivanych
We take cucumber skin and other accompanying cucumbers, leaves there and other crap. Pour all this with a glass of brine and boil. Five minutes. No more.
And then pour the contents of a ladle into chopped pickles. Do not forget to strain.
And further in the text. A similar technique will give a voluminous and rich taste without unnecessary harshness and pungency, for harmony with the taste of fish. But, yes, that's for my taste.
Quote: Kapet
In early recipes, flour was added to it, and then tomato puree was also used, according to cookbooks at the turn of the 20th century.
As far as I remember reading, this technique was typical for a hodgepodge with mushrooms and has nothing to do with this recipe. If we consider that since the second half of the 19th century and in all the variety of the composition of the hodgepodge, it depended only on the skill of the cook and the taste preferences of the eater, then, yes, why not, cucumbers can be added to the plate, depending on the recipe.
Quote: Kapet
Therefore, the question "to boil cucumbers in broth or separately" is probably akin to the problem of choosing "to break a boiled egg from a blunt or sharp end."
Not really, rather it refers to a certain technology for preparing such dishes.


Ivanych, thanks again! And for the recipe and for the hospitality.
Kapet
Quote: Corsica
Not really, rather it refers to a certain technology for preparing such dishes.
No, this does not apply to a specific cooking technology for such dishes. For example, in a delicious Gomel-style hodgepodge, the meat for the broth is cooked from the very beginning in water with the addition of fragrant brine from pickled / pickled cucumbers and tomatoes. For two years now I have been preparing broth for a hodgepodge, but all hands do not reach the publication of the recipe ...
Ivanych
Quote: Corsica
A similar technique will give a voluminous and rich taste without unnecessary harshness and pungency, for harmony with the taste of fish.

Exactly!
The use of flour, etc. is rather more typical for the "filling" technology. Selyanka, in the classical sense, is clearly not the case, you are right.
Cucumbers on a plate? You know, I have not met such recommendations. Olives, olives, lemon - yes. But cucumbers ...? Responsibly I assert that salty cucumbers are one of the main components of the village.





Quote: Kapet
boiled in water with the addition of fragrant brine

I am ready to agree that simply adding brine to the villager's broth will not spoil. But here is a little different. When you lightly boil the skins of cucumbers and the like from the brine in brine, with this, if you like, we extract from what will be thrown out at least a fraction, but what will add both taste and aroma. Why lose it? But it is very useful to slightly extinguish the cucumbers. If only because the taste softens. The village is cooked from the moment of assembly to readiness not so long. Therefore, the dressing is prepared in advance and the mushrooms (if fresh) are better to fry. And cucumbers from the same series. Such preparation of products is typical for, let's say, "prefabricated" soups.
Kapet
Quote: Ivanych
Cucumbers on a plate? You know, I have not met such recommendations.
1911. Elena Malokhovskaya. "Hand-held cookbook". Page 39
Fish village. Team. Rich.

1911. O. Pavlovskaya. "A modest and lean table". Page 33
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Sorry, which is very shallow. The bread maker greatly cuts up the uploaded photos. And this is not good ...
In the first screenshot, at the end: "Serving on the table, cut two pickled cucumbers into a soup bowl, pour in half a glass of sour cream, sprinkle with herbs."
In the second screenshot, at the end: "... before the very vacation, peel and cut 5-6 pickled cucumbers, let the soup boil and serve."
Ivanych
Kapet, I didn’t say that this cannot be.
Corsica
Oh, and good, you, Ivanych, fish villager! Kind, she gathered so many guests, yes, for a friendly conversation. With your permission, I will still answer the interlocutor.
Quote: Kapet
No, this does not apply to a specific cooking technology for such dishes.
In order to have weight for such categorical statements, it would be good to know the basics of cooking technology, but they exist and professionals do not hide them: Lesson number 9. Solyanka. Capital salad and Moscow salad.... Basically, a villager with fish is characterized by the aroma of pickled cucumbers and their delicate taste, and the sour-salty-spicy base is enhanced by other additives and seasonings. The main thing is to avoid coarsening the taste and maintain a balance, therefore it is not recommended to add vinegar.
To already written above by the author Ivanych, I will also add that the simmering of salted cask cucumbers, like brine, helps to adjust not only their taste, but also a sufficiently characteristic aroma to avoid the taste and aroma of cask cucumbers in an already prepared dish. In general, this technique also reduces the risks of fermentation processes in the finished dish, is safer, and improves its storage.
Kapet
Quote: Corsica
In order to have weight for such categorical statements, it would be good to know the basics of cooking technology, but they exist and professionals do not hide them: Lesson №9. Solyanka. Capital salad and Moscow salad ..
You will excuse me, of course, please, but if you wish, I will "heap up" for you no less tasty recipes for hodgepodge, both from professionals, and from chefs, and from amateurs. These are not the basics of technology, these are just one of the cooking methods. Because we previously decided here that the classic recipe for hodgepodge does not exist. Accordingly, there is no single correct cooking technology ...
My personal definition: Meat solyanka is a rich meat or fish platter with roots and pickles in a rich broth with an acidic medium. How will you achieve a rich broth, sour environment, cold meats or fish, and which roots are the secret of each recipe.
Ivanych
Corsica, ... Thank you.
In fact, everything you said has a place to be. In the village there should not be any prevailing, in other words, protruding in front of all aromas and tastes. The charm of this dish is precisely in the balance, the correct and soft combination of everything that went into the cauldron. It seems to me that it is even more difficult to achieve this in fish food than in meat. Meat is more neutral than fish in terms of the aggressiveness of this very aroma ...
Corsica
Quote: Kapet
These are not the basics of technology, these are just one of the cooking methods.
There are those. cards, in the basis - GOSTs and so on. Perhaps further conversation simply ceases to be informative.
Quote: Kapet
For two years now I have been preparing broth for a hodgepodge, but all hands do not reach the publication of the recipe ...
Constantin, get ready in the mood and bring the recipe to publication, and if you call in, we'll visit you (virtually). Solyanka / villagers - they are.
Quote: Ivanych
It seems to me that it is even more difficult to achieve this in fish food than in meat.
Ivanych, agree with you. Therefore, it did not miss your recipe. Thank you for taking the time and willingness to share it. So far, bookmark.
Ivanych
Quote: Kapet
These are not the basics of technology, these are just one of the cooking methods.

Wisely wrapped!

Quote: Kapet
Solyanka meat national team - rich cold cuts with roots and pickles in a rich broth with an acidic medium. How will you achieve a rich broth, sour environment, cold meats or fish, and which roots are the secret of each recipe.

Excuse me, of course. But! When you copy phrases from the textbook, so to speak, at least adapt in the context of the conversation.
And ... I'm talking about this very "sense of the villager", that is, the balance and combination of tastes and aromas of a lot of mills once mentioned in the recipe text. And for some reason you ..., in general, sorry, I do not see any constructiveness in your comments. Rather from the series "Baba Yaga Protiff!" But against what? So it is not clear.
Svetlenki
Ivanych, as always, fundamental work and a beautiful tale!

Quote: Ivanych
For broth, it is best to use, for example, salmon heads, rump, heads, ridges and other fins.I get such sets, like soup ones, from Globus. And necessarily from smoked fish and just fish.

Oh, this "Globe". How often do I hear the name of this store. I will strongly dream that their delivery will spread to my area or open at least nearby

Quote: Ivanych
Vegetables can be lightly baked in a dry skillet.

I completely forgot this broth trick! thank you for reminding

Thank you very much for the global recipe research
Ivanych
Svetlenki, Health!
And with delivery in the "globe" - yes ... everything is complicated. But I don't think they really need it. Their traffic in the shopping center is very strong. Hence the advantage that others do not have. With the same fish. Assortment and absence of what is called "second freshness" product. Everything is scattered.
Kapet
Quote: Corsica
There are those. cards, in the basis - GOSTs and so on. Perhaps further conversation simply ceases to be informative.
There is no GOST specifically for hodgepodge. There are technological maps, each catering establishment has its own, where the gross and net ingredients are indicated, and the technological process - each has its own. And they are intended for the accounting department to calculate the cost of a portion of the dish. Google "hodgepodge technological map". There are all sorts of industry reference books, for example, "The Ship's Chef's Handbook" (available in the Culinary Chest), which, among other things, tells how to cook a hodgepodge on a ship.
And nothing else is regulatory. Even in the USSR, in each restaurant, they prepared and served hodgepodge in different ways ...




Quote: Ivanych
Excuse me, of course. But! When you copy phrases from the textbook, so to speak, at least adapt in the context of the conversation.
Until now I believed that such a set of letters and words was my own invention ...




Quote: Ivanych
And for some reason you ..., in general, sorry, I do not see any constructiveness in your comments. Rather from the series "Baba Yaga Protiff!" But against what? So it is not clear.
I understood. With your charter in a strange monastery ... Like a bath leaf ... Like chewing gum stuck to the windshield ... Probably, you really shouldn't spoil the holiday, where you are only a guest who was not invited ... Sorry! Write to me in a personal "Delete!", And I will rub all my posts here.
Ivanych
Kapetwhy wash? To be honest, your boring and unconstructive teachings did not cause delight in me. BUT! Everyone has the right to his opinion and the right to express it.
kavmins
according to the technology of cooking hodgepodge or pickle - pickled cucumbers are always pre-seasoned, because otherwise it is impossible to control their taste, because they are added almost at the end in order to preserve their tenderness and a certain salinity obtained by the seasoning, so that they do not protrude to taste, and if they are boiled initially in broth, they will be like a rag! But I would also pre-start the fish, it is better to add it boiled and then cook it all together for no more than 5-10 minutes, but this is for my taste, of course. Thanks to the author for the wonderful recipe, colorful description and photo!
Ivanych
kavminsand the fish are longer and not boiled, in fact. Minutes 15, twenty at most.
Rita
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Write to me in a personal "Delete!", And I'll rub all my posts here
Or can I write right here: "Delete your posts!"
Ivanych, not a hodgepodge, but a holiday of taste !!!
Ivanych
Rita, no need to delete, let them be. Thank you for your kind words.
Svetlenki
Ivanych, let me hug you! You so patiently and sensibly explained everything about the preparation of the fish broth, that today for the first time I correctly and deliciously sprinkled pink salmon! Pink salmon, Ivanych! It turned out to be the softest, without a rancid-bitter aftertaste and rubbery-dry consistency of meat. In general, an absolute delight. Hurrah!

Is it okay that I came here with my joy? But I honestly could not understand for a long time how to properly stew the fish so that it turned out to be tasty, and not just healthy.

That and you look, I will soon grow to a villager
Ivanych
Svetlenki,
brendabaker
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sprinkled pink salmon correctly and tasty! Pink salmon, Ivanych! It turned out to be the softest, without a rancid-bitter aftertaste and rubbery-dry consistency of meat. In general, an absolute delight. Hurrah!

Sveta, did you do it in a slow cooker, or something else?

Ivanych,
This is a recipe, just a tsar recipe, I understand that, the guests were honored and respected.
Thanks so much for posting,
Irina F
And I will not enter into polemics with anyone, and I will simply say that you, Ivanovich, have a successful villager!
However, as always!
I got aesthetic pleasure from seeing the photo of the process and the result, and from the description !!!
You just want to run and do, despite the fact that you have to tinker!
But! This is a miracle really for a large company, for friends and guests with a wide table! It is imperative to cook it in a large cauldron, as it seems to me, so I put off cooking for the Easter holidays!
Thank you very much for your work !!!
Svetlenki
Quote: brendabaker
Sveta, did you do it in a slow cooker, or something else?

Oksana, no, I did it in a skillet-pan, I had 2 fillets without skin, I put them in one layer in order to completely control the process and so that there was no situation that the bottom layer was ready and the top one was not yet.

It clicked in my brain after these lines of the recipe:

Quote: Ivanych
If you cook the broth as described, believe me, you get a very aromatic, rich broth. There will be no pungent fishy odor and no taste of digested fish oil. Achieved by languor!

Quote: Ivanych
It's the fish's turn. We carefully lower the prepared fish into the cauldron. I will repeat again, then that this is really important, from my point of view. Do not simmer. Let it take more time until ready, but it's worth it.

Since I needed exactly the fish for the dish, I dipped it into the liquid on the verge of a boil

Ivanych, this is not a flood? I can throw it under the spoiler if you say
Ivanych
Irina F, in fact, it's not all that difficult. Troubled, yes! And on Easter you want meat ...




Quote: Svetlenki
Ivanych, is this not a flood? I can throw it under the spoiler if you say

I think no. Because a constructive exchange of views and experience cannot be a flood.
Irina F
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Irina F, in fact, it's not all that difficult. Troubled, yes! And on Easter you want meat ...
Well, meat too, of course! On the other hand, you get out of the habit of it (meat) and you don't feel like it anymore
Ivanych
Quote: Irina F
and I don't seem to want to


Kapet
Quote: kavmins
according to the technology of cooking hodgepodge or pickle - pickled cucumbers are always pre-seasoned, because otherwise it is impossible to control their taste, because they are added almost at the end in order to preserve their tenderness and a certain salinity obtained by the seasoning, so that they do not protrude to taste, and if they are boiled initially in broth, they will be like a rag!
1. There is no generally accepted technology for preparing prefabricated meat hodgepodge. There are traditions of making hodgepodge, which are different in different areas of residence (in the Far East, for example, the usual hodgepodge is prepared from seaweed and sea reptiles: squid, etc., and in Finland, beets are often added to the hodgepodge, and grapefruit is sometimes used instead of lemon), there is the most general rules and recommendations, not approved by anyone at a high level. The classic recipe for making any hodgepodge does not exist in nature. Technological charts at catering enterprises, where the composition and quantity of ingredients, as well as the preparation process, are regulated, for each enterprise its own is developed, which is why the taste of the hodgepodge in different restaurants is different, and sometimes striking. Perhaps you just overlooked Lazerson, or overreached Pokhlebkin. So after all, man does not live by them alone, and the light did not converge on them like a wedge ...
2. Pickles do not have to be added to the hodgepodge at the end. At the end, when the cucumbers in the broth are sufficiently boiled along with the rest of the ingredients, the hodgepodge soup is straightened with salt and sourness, to taste.The tenderness of cucumbers is determined by the time they are boiled in the broth, - in a saucepan or separately in a pan - no difference, the taste of the dish does not change from this. Ordinary pickled crispy cucumbers, so that they become like a rag, you need to cook them for at least two hours, or even more ... If, of course, you are lucky with cucumbers. Well, and sculpting a bullet out of shit, - so it will fly like shit ...
But in the pickle, indeed, the cucumbers must be allowed separately, and laid at the end, after the potatoes have been cooked ...

Shl. Ivanych, sorry again ...
Ivanych
Quote: Kapet
reread Pokhlebkin

They said funny. You are rather closer to the unforgettable William, with your thoughts about ...
And ..., sorry, what did you want to say?
kavmins
Quote: Kapet
There is no generally accepted technology for preparing prefabricated meat hodgepodge.

Quote: Kapet
Technological charts at catering enterprises, where the composition and quantity of ingredients, as well as the preparation process, are regulated, for each enterprise its own is developed, which is why the taste of the hodgepodge in different restaurants is different, and sometimes striking. Perhaps you just overlooked Lazerson, or overreached Pokhlebkin. So after all, man does not live by them alone
Actually, I am a food service engineer by profession, and professional chefs know the approved Compilation of recipes for food for public catering enterprises. Any chef in Russia teach generally accepted cooking technologies, which include adding cucumbers for hodgepodge.
And about boiling cucumbers in broth, you talk like an amateur, because in production no cook would even think of cooking broth with cucumbers, any broth is cooked separately according to the existing technology, even for meat, even for fish or mushroom hodgepodge. And technological charts of standard dishes are not drawn up from a lantern, as you think, but in accordance with the collections of recipes approved for catering enterprises, according to GOSTs.
Of course, at home you can cook as you please, but I do not understand why you argue so much about this, because the fact that you decided for yourself that cucumbers should not be allowed, and decided to teach your way to members of the forum, does not mean that for professional chefs do not have a technological procedure for cooking hodgepodge.
Of course, nowadays there are enough gags in public catering, so in restaurants sometimes you don't recognize some classic dish either by taste or by sight, but this is far from an indicator of professionalism, and sometimes it is the inflated conceit of a half-educated chef who imagines himself to be Gordon Ramzi, after watching and reading, respectively)))

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