Panasonic Bread Makers Problems and Breakdowns

[Sooner or later, even a reliable stove like Panasonic can have technical problems.]

Sooner or later, even a reliable stove like Panasonic can have technical problems.

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Help who can! My Panasonic SD 253 started to overheat! I bought it almost a year ago, worked almost every day (and in the summer at the dacha and 2 times a day) - baked bread, made dough and cooked jam - just fine. And suddenly - I take out the dough, and it seems to be dried on top. Further, more - I take out the bread as if it contains insufficient water, and if I just bake a cake on baking, it burns exactly in the place where the ten is. Maybe something with him or the thermostat? Out of the blue!

I don't think we can help you much here. We need to carry it to repairs. Obviously something with a temperature sensor.

I agree with Elena Bo, especially if the year has not really passed yet, then there is still an opportunity to repair it under warranty.

Take a closer look - is there a contact of the bucket with the sensor?

[viacher]

Most likely, you need to change the thermal sensor,: - \ but if the x / n is deformed to the extent that it writes viacher and there was a "contact of the bucket with the sensor" - then along with the sensor, you need to change the entire body with the contents - better all at once.

No, no, the bucket does not contact the sensor at all, nothing is deformed (thanks, I know where it is now!) And the bread turned out great tonight, but now I add more water than usual, to everything - to the bread, into the dough. And I made the dough today (I try everything) - it's normal. And the cupcake again burned along the ten line. Yes, and I used to expose the crust "dark", and now, with the same result, light. That is, it is possible to use the stove, as I understand it, but fulfilling certain conditions (add more water, do not use the "baking" function), but this does not suit me. Yes, I have already made up my mind to go to the service tomorrow, but I am tormented by doubts: how will they check if all the functions are in order? After all, in the store they checked it like this: they turned it on for a second, showed that the light was on - and that's it! In general, the problem!

Judging by the way everything is described - you need to "Carefully wipe the sensor, not allowing it to deform." - this is from the instructions. In any case, it is better to call them and consult before you go to the service (you may not even need to go anywhere (IMHO)).

I just wiped the sensor, but it was not so dirty - I always wipe the stove. She called the service, where the girl said the following: "Well, they rarely bring bread makers to us ... Yes, we probably repair it ... I, for example, don't remember that ..." But no one called the master - so I doubt about their professionalism - what will they do with my stove?
What instructions do you read about the sensor? I have nothing like this.Strange - maybe I have some kind of unfinished instruction? Well, I went to bake the cupcake again. I'll let you know later. Thank you

On this page: Instructions for use and Collection of additional recipes - 🔗

-"what will they do with my stove?"- about professionals - this is - to the point. Most likely (in the best case (IMHO)) - they just check the voltages at the control points, if there are differences - they will replace the parts, if not - they will say: Your fault, and can be sent to the manufacturer ( to China) - for customization.

No, no, the bucket does not contact the sensor at all, nothing is deformed

The bucket, IMHO, MUST be in contact with the sensor. After all, we are not interested in heating the air in the stove, but in the temperature of the product. If there is no contact, the stove "thinks" that the bucket is not heated properly and increases the heating. Contact may not be, for example, due to a loose installation of the bucket, a dent in the bucket, or a sticking sensor. Of course, there may be other reasons - for example, corrosion of the contacts due to the ingress of the product inside, but this is unlikely.

[viacher]

viacher

The bucket, IMHO, MUST be in contact with the sensor. After all, we are not interested in heating the air in the stove, but in the temperature of the product

In Panasonic bread makers, the thermal sensor does not come into contact with the baking bucket.
During baking, exactly a certain temperature of the air in the chamber is maintained.

nvnv
What you describe looks like a failure of a temperature sensor.
You cannot use the stove - you will disable the heating element.
Choose service - 🔗
In your city "Universal-Service" is one of the best service centers in Russia.

If this stove has a convention (forced air movement), then I believe that the fan is out of order.
I don't pretend to be genius. Just such a thought arose from what I read.

It seems to me that the bread makers have no convection. The bread is baked by heating the ten (like in a kettle). Or I'm wrong?

It seems to me that the bread makers have no convection. The bread is baked by heating the ten (like in a kettle). Or I'm wrong?

Teng heats water in a kettle. In the stove, the heating element does not touch the bucket for any, which means that it heats the air.

In Panasonic bread makers, the thermal sensor does not come into contact with the baking bucket.
During baking, exactly a certain air temperature in the chamber is maintained

In hitachi, for example, there is a contact of the sensor with the bucket, it is even spring-loaded for this. I don't think Panas had a different design

[viacher]

It seems to me that the bread makers have no convection. The bread is baked by heating the ten (like in a kettle). Or I'm wrong?

- Yes, you are wrong, convection stove - Hitachi -HB E303. (Only this model)

viacher
I don't think Panas had a different design - in vain.

It is easy to guess about the existence of a convention: you need to turn on the stove in oven mode and listen to whether the fan is working or not. If the stove is in good working order and the fan does not work (does not hum), then there is no convention. (not conceived)

Deuce in physics, dear. : red: Heat is transferred in nature in three ways. 1. Direct transmission through a solid 2. Radiation
3. Convection, ie heat transfer through the movement of a gas or liquid. In the latter case, the fan is optional - the coolant will still circulate in the presence of a temperature difference and gravity.
There is a heating element in the bread machine that does not touch the bucket. This means that infrared radiation and convection take place, regardless of the presence of a fan.

viacher. You are truly a professor!
And what are we talking about? For any bakery, it is necessary to take it for repair.

[Elena Bo]

Yes, I have already made up my mind to go to the service tomorrow, but I am tormented by doubts: how will they check if all the functions are in order? In general, the problem!

How the service will check is not your problem.
Actually, there is a service manual that describes how to check in service mode, in particular, the temperature at which the heating element turns off.
It also says that repair is by replacing boards with electronics.
And right Elena Bo- to repair it, to repair it.

In general, there is a service manual that describes how to check in service mode, in particular, the temperature at which the heating element turns off.

Where can I find the service manual?

Where can I find the service manual?

Buy from a Hitachi dealer. By the way, it's expensive.

[viacher]

viacher
Large selection of service manuals for 🔗.
Paid, but inexpensive and prompt. Enjoyed it, I recommend it.
Look more here: 🔗

He who seeks will find. I found on my stove 🔗.

Thank you
I'll know

Aglo, thanks !!!

Just do not forget to send the docks to us, we will post them on the site for general use.

I took her to the service center, it turned out that good friends work there. First, they gave me a lecture about what flour to deal with, then about the order in which to bookmark products, then they brought me a printout of recipes from the site with new dosages. I was amazed! It turns out that they are there, when they check the stoves, bake bread! They have their own bucket for 253! They took the stove, said that they would order a new thermal sensor, "and then we'll see." Exactly a week later, as promised, they called and said that something had been forged, but there were no sensors in Moscow, and in general the warehouse was moving and there would be no more for two months, practically nothing. They left my warranty card with the words: "We didn't repair it." Who knows what is wrong with the warehouse and whether the stove can be replaced if not repaired. Yes, while they are looking for the sensor, my warranty will end (May 5) ...

From April 20 to May 2, the spare parts and accessories warehouse is moving to a new location. Orders accepted before 12.00 on April 18 will be shipped, then orders will be accepted only starting from May 2.
This is written on the Panasonic website.

Very valuable information indeed. And what kind of flour do you have to deal with?

And what kind of flour do you have to deal with?

As the practice of users shows, any flour can be used. Indirectly, this is confirmed by recipes from the instructions, in which wheat flour, whole flour (ie, coarse grinding), rye, etc. is used. I use "Macfoy".
Overheating of the stove, as well as the occurrence of your defect, does not depend on the quality and type of flour.

Yes, while they are looking for the sensor, my warranty will end (May 5) ...

No, the guarantee will not end. The warranty period is suspended for the duration of the repair.

Now about the replacement.
You have the right to return, exchange, etc. based on clause 1 of Article 18 of the ZZPP, but there is a Resolution of the Russian Federation No. 55, which stipulates that technically complex household appliances for which the established warranty from the manufacturer you cannot return, exchange if it does not fit by style, size, color, configuration, etc. In this case, a return or exchange is possible ONLY if the product has a significant defect. According to the definition of ZZPP, a product with a significant flaw is one that: a) is not economically profitable to repair; b) if an inappropriate amount of time is required to eliminate the defect (according to the law, you have the right to demand this after the allotted 20 days, but this is by law, the ASC usually leave loopholes, such as the waiting period for spare parts - 180 days) and c) breaks down repeatedly (in practice, this is more than three times, regardless of the reason)

If the deadline for eliminating deficiencies was not determined by a written agreement of the parties, then in accordance with paragraph 1 of Art. 20 of the Law, the deficiencies must be eliminated immediately, that is, within the minimum period objectively necessary to eliminate these defects in the goods, taking into account the usually applied method of eliminating them.
(as amended by the Resolutions of the Plenum of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation of 10/25/1996 N 10, of 01/17/1997 N 2, of 11/21/2000 N 32, of 02/06/2007 N 6)

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Thus, everything will depend on you and your position. Actually, your good friends should help you.

The stove is about 2 years old and everything always came out great. And here, for more than a month, I stopped making any bread - instead of beautiful loaves, lone-sided monsters come out (one half rises more than the other) with a slightly burnt crust. I changed the ingredients, after changing the flour, the bread began to turn out a little better, but still not the same as before. What's the matter? Then, however, I remembered that just about a month ago, in order to pull out the "especially nasty" crumb, I turned the entire apparatus upside down and very carefully shook it. Have I ruined my assistant with my own hands? ((

The first thing that comes to mind is that teng distributes heat unevenly. But, probably, specialists in household appliances will be able to answer more precisely.

I read (most likely in the instructions, but where else?) That you can't turn it over. I was very surprised. It seems really impossible. They didn't lie.

I did everything according to the instructions, I started it. After a while, the display began to flash, then a red light. Then everything shut down. At a new start (it was unplugged for an hour), the display shows the previous settings. Nothing is discarded. It does not respond to buttons, except for the switch.
How difficult is it nowadays to find a non-Chinese craft? Are there other stoves that work reliably?

In general, I understood the reason for the failure: this Chinese miracle does not have a power noise filter. If there is an interference with the power supply, then apparently the processor is malfunctioning. I’ll come up with something, maybe I’ve already faced a similar problem with another technique.

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Above, so to speak, a breakdown does not look like a breakdown, but a power failure. You will explain to me a dense one in what technique there is a so-called power noise filter? On the TV, on a computer, etc. Most likely, you have experienced a short power outage. And in Panasonic stoves there is a power outage protection system for 10 minutes. Apparently this system worked. It costs and should work again. Unless, on the contrary, your voltage is too high and the electronics could not stand it.

There are no jumps in nutrition. He switched it on through the uninterruptible power supply unit (there would be jumps, then it would send the appropriate signals) and through the stabilizer. It does not change anything: the display and LED blink, without the system and at any stages of work.
Here is a video of how it looks 🔗
The blinking may end with a crackling of some kind of relay and turning off the display. In this case, the LED starts flashing very quickly.
The stove was defective.
Thank you all for the advice.

May be. After all, a Chinese craft for 250 bucks should have some flaws and create a headache for the consumer :) I took it in an Internet store.

What does Chinese fake mean? This stove is already produced in China, and not only this stove, but the entire Panasonic in the CIS market. and 250 is, of course, you overpaid great. I don't think I can explain to you that a slave is cheaper in China. power, and Panasonic is producing high-quality real factories there, and not 33 Chinese underground

May be. After all, a Chinese craft for 250 bucks should have some flaws and create a headache for the consumer :) I took it in an Internet store. Tomorrow I'll figure it out.
ONCE AGAIN THANKS TO ALL FOR THE ADVICE.

1) Try plugging into a different outlet (the first one may "spark").
2) if the situation repeats - only to the service. And we are all interested in what, after all, is the reason for the breakdown. If the service will also allow you to take pictures of the stove inside during disassembly, there will be no price for your reportage.

1) Try plugging into a different outlet (the first one may "spark").
2) if the situation repeats - only to the service. And we all wonder

By the way, the LEDs flew in my fridge, the outlet sparked, and they went out,

By the way, the LEDs flew in my fridge, the outlet sparked, and they went out,

And the refrigerator could be "covered" ...
There are some nuances about sockets (according to my observations):

There is ALWAYS all kinds of fumes in the kitchen, even if you have a powerful extractor hood (feel with your finger any horizontal surfaces on top of the kitchen furniture and make sure). These vapors (including grease, moisture) settle on the metal contacts. Including in sockets. Corrosion appears. Contact is broken. When turning on and off powerful electrical appliances, a spark arises. This leads to even more oxidation of the contacts, and even more arcing. Sparking leads to current surges, noise, and rapid failure of expensive electrical appliances.
Moreover, the contact heats up in the place of a bad electrical contact, which can lead to melting of the insulation, short circuit and fire.

What would I recommend:

1) Install in the kitchen only high-quality sockets with brass contacts (not duralumin or steel copper-plated Made in China). By the way, the Chinese are also made of brass, but brass and brass are different ... Where to get normal sockets - consult with competent practicing electricians. These sockets cost significantly more than Chinese ones, but they will serve for a long time and reliably. It is desirable that the sockets have closed contacts (such as "childproof") - this also helps to reduce the deposition of vapors on the contacts.
2) When installing, kitchen sockets should be wiped with alcohol, and then treated with a liquid for car contacts (aerosol) - sold in auto parts stores. This will prevent the contacts from oxidizing. Repeat the treatment every 1-2 years. This procedure will not interfere with any other contact (lighting, etc.), especially in the bathroom and toilet.

I handed over the apparatus for examination.

[THE BREAD IS GREAT !!! AND AT THE FIRST TIME]

I handed over the apparatus for examination.

They gave a conclusion that the device was defective. Replaced with a similar one. Everything is working, THE BREAD IS GREAT !!! AND AT THE FIRST TIME

[THE BREAD IS GREAT !!! AND AT THE FIRST TIME]

They gave a conclusion that the device was defective. Replaced with a similar one. Everything is working, THE BREAD IS GREAT !!! AND AT THE FIRST TIME

Today I also received HP from the Eldorado online store. The problem is exactly the same. Both the lamp and the display are flashing. So pity!!! The store says that since they have already used the stove, you need to contact the service. Sheer frustration.

Today I also received HP from the Eldorado online store. The problem is exactly the same. Both the lamp and the display are flashing. So pity!!! The store says that since they have already used the stove, you need to contact the service. Sheer frustration.

Mom dear (I really sympathize with you.
And today I just wanted to order 2 HP from Eldorado (my parents ordered it), but did not have time. God saved me straight.

By law, the store is right.
Give up the service. You can choose from:
1.repair
2. refuse to repair, demand an examination, and on its basis then ask the store for money back or replacement for a new product.

Good luck to you !

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There is ALWAYS all kinds of fumes in the kitchen, even if you have a powerful extractor hood (feel with your finger any horizontal surfaces on top of the kitchen furniture and make sure). These vapors (including grease, moisture) settle on the metal contacts. Including in sockets.

It's all bullshit. I have 27% humidity in my kitchen and four socket blocks in different places. When you cook, it increases by 20-30 units. Electronics (LCD TV, video player, etc.) work flawlessly.
Now the new stove is blinking again, but not very often. It looks like the whole batch of these Chinese handicrafts is defective. One friend took the same one, but in a different place (at retail) and also handed it over. The marriage is the same.

Today I also received HP from the Eldorado online store. The problem is exactly the same. Both the lamp and the display are flashing. So pity!!! The store says that since they have already used the stove, you need to contact the service. Sheer frustration.

Be sure to return. Then it will be worse: the display will be cut down (you will not even be able to set the switches) and some kind of relay will start to crack and the oven will stop. If 14 days have not passed, then bring it back with the requirement that they be sent to the service for diagnostics. If it passed, then you yourself need to go to the service and get an opinion. Take the money and buy (or change) another firm. Just wondering if HB is done in Taiwan or Thailand?
I'll use it a little more and carry it myself to the service.

The fact is that the Panasonic 253 bread maker sprinkles food past the bucket from the dispenser. When the bread maker was being repaired in the M-video almost at the end of the warranty period, I asked them to adjust the dispenser (there is a gap in it and even when it opens, some of the products wake up by)
They returned, said they could not do anything.Today I baked bread using a dispenser and quite by accident I discovered that the bucket is crooked into the grooves (not parallel to the walls of the bucket) and therefore one end of the dispenser, when opened, goes beyond the bucket. The warranty expired a month ago. Maybe somehow you can rearrange this thing at the bottom of the stove strictly parallel. Or is it so crooked in all stoves?

[zabu]

zabu, went and looked at her. The bucket is parallel to the walls of the stove, the dispenser is opposite. There is no slot in the dispenser. Once, after baking, I found two burnt raisins at the bottom of the oven, but did not delve into it, since this was not the case anymore. And when you insert the bucket into the HP, does it turn a little clockwise to fix it?

[zabu]

zabu
Maybe somehow you can rearrange this thing at the bottom of the stove strictly parallel. Or is it so crooked in all stoves?

If we mean a bucket, then:
1. It is inserted at an angle, as in the picture, and then turns (by hand) until it stops. As a result, the walls of the bucket stand parallel to the walls of the cotton.
2. A bucket with ready-made bread is strictly parallel to the walls of the cotton - to remove it, you need to turn it as in the attached picture.

[zabu]

zabu
Maybe somehow you can rearrange this thing at the bottom of the stove strictly parallel. Or is it so crooked in all stoves?

If we mean a bucket, then:
1. It is inserted at an angle, as in the picture, and then turns (by hand) until it stops. As a result, the walls of the bucket stand parallel to the walls of the cotton.
2. A bucket with ready-made bread is strictly parallel to the walls of the cotton - to remove it, you need to turn it as in the attached picture.

The bucket just turns all the way and becomes not parallel to the walls of the stove, but at an angle with an inclination to the right.

The bucket just turns all the way and becomes not parallel to the walls of the stove, but at an angle with an inclination to the right.

That is, the bucket somehow scrolls a little, fixing itself in the wrong place? If the warranty is over, can someone in the house have gold handles and be able to fix it? When I poured some water there instead of a bucket, my husband unscrewed the bottom and said that in terms of mechanics, everything is not so difficult there. Maybe Aglo can tell you something, he seems to be 207.

And it never happens that the bread maker kneads too actively, and the flour flies out of the bucket and settles to the bottom or to the ten. You don't feel it during the curtain, but when baking is in progress, you feel the burning.

When I poured some water there instead of a bucket, my husband unscrewed the bottom and said that in terms of mechanics, everything was not so difficult there. Maybe Aglo can tell you something, he seems to be 207.

It is clear, then the bottom is opening, but I'm afraid the holes will not match. We will look for a man with golden hands (It's tense with them now)
Lola_Press, no flour does not fly out. But after their warranty repair, the bread began to rise worse and often the roof falls down.

I have a 255 model, but the same phenomenon takes place)) as I understand it, it's not scary. At the beginning of the kneading, the flour is slightly sprayed up into the air and slightly falls on the heating elements, the burning smell is felt only for 1-2 minutes at the beginning of baking. At the end of baking and the oven has cooled down, gently wipe it with a damp cloth and that's it))