Water consumption meters

If someone has installed water consumption meters in their apartment, please share the information was it worth it or not. Before that I had only heard good reviews, but then an acquaintance said that he set and regrets. They pay no less for water + after a certain time, it is necessary to carry out expensive maintenance. And we need to decide in the next week whether to bet or not.

If you have a very large family, then it is not profitable, but if it is small, then it is normal, at least I get cheaper to pay by the meter, we do not consume as much as they count "average type"

We are happy - we pay much less.

I installed the meter for free 2 months ago. The savings are real. About 900 rubles a month. So all the service will pay off with interest. Bet, don't hesitate.

Thank you for your feedback. I've heard this before. There are four of us, there are 2 risers in the apartment - you will have to install 2 sets. I also heard that according to the "average standards" the whole family has to wash in the bathroom for a month without getting out. :-) A friend has 3 people in the family and they pay about 1000 rubles a month, the house is not elite. True, there the son likes to get wet under the shower.

For hot water for two without a meter $ 12 per month. With a counter $ 4-5 + savings on cold water. And we have 2 risers. The savings are real.

It seems to me that it can be beneficial if there are 2 people in the family and the meters are free. And if you pay for them, but if there are 4 people who wash under the shower every day, and the washing machine every other day, and the dishes are washed all day. And then the service

in Odessa, this is a master's call every 3 years + money
or with counters top-top to the service for checking + less money
It was profitable for 5 people, but rarely there were mountains. how now ...
everything is changing. everything rises in price

Most of our houses have already been connected for free, and the rest have to pay much more than before. All leaks are attributed to them. If you are offered to bet, then do not refuse.

We have 4 adults + 1 child. the machine washes almost every day, we use water not very sparingly. But all the same, it is almost 3 times cheaper with a meter than the housing office set for the average household consumption.
So it turned out very profitable

The meter was delivered to us 2 months ago for free in a family of 6 people, if earlier the DEZ issued us an invoice for 20 cubic meters. m of cold water, now from 10 to 13 cubic meters. m as with hot water in money, the difference is palpable. We do not save water.

And our counters are already 2 years old. In the summer we leave for the dacha and sit there three of us for 3 months, only my husband stays at home, and then only on weekdays. So the savings are good. We also pay less in winter. The counter is not profitable when 1 person is registered, but 4 lives.

There are meters in our house from the very beginning, the builders installed them. The house is 6 years old, now to start living on the counter you need these same counters - "believe", it's not free, it costs about 2500r. Moreover, the valves must be changed on the pipes, and when I said that it was necessary for the meters, the housing office was told to pay about 2500 rubles more. (instead of a couple of bottles of beer - if just like that) Now I sit and think, why do I need such savings? According to the reviews of friends and neighbors who use these counters - savings of 200 rubles. a month for my family. It turns out that I will pay this savings for 2 years for "checking the meters"? And it needs to be done every 3 years ... (this is what the master told my neighbor when he put the counters back).

The girlfriend in general had nonsense - they all count, write down - they bring it to the housing office, and they are credited with 30 rubles the next month! True, it was last year, now it seems to have stopped ...

In general, you need to calculate everything well ...

In many houses, accounting is not even done by apartment, but there is one meter downstairs for the entire riser. And then the entire expense is divided by the number of residents on this riser. But do not forget that the number of registered and actually living are two different things. Suppose, according to your riser, the owners rent an apartment to a family. One is registered, and water will be spent .. a whole large and friendly family))) And you will have to pay.
But if you have a meter, then you will pay ONLY for yourself. Even if your water pipe breaks through somewhere. The housing office will gladly divide the flowing water over the asphalt into tenants. And so - you will be unacceptable! )
And more .. I heard that there are hot water meters, which start to work only when the water passes a certain temperature. So I want to change myself to this. It often happens with us that cold water flows from a hot tap .. otherwise it will drain free

Korata I have the same hot water situation especially in summer. You have to drain about 10 minutes before the hot water flows, but before there was no meter, but now they have installed it. I didn’t hear about the counter of the counter that responds to a certain temperature, if you find out, be sure to write.

[tanya1962]

tanya1962 , so also for 21 days this hot water is turned off in summer
You are here about the counters, find out which ones are better and tell us. In our house, they just put a common meter around the house in the basement, they said they will give the go-ahead when it will be possible to install it in the apartments.

Admin, the calculation is great! I will definitely show my husband, let him now think about the counters.
By the way, about the common riser, we have a pizzeria in our house, two beauty salons. I really wanted to know - they pay individually or they have attached themselves to us.
We have two tariffs for electricity, about a third of the electricity consumed per month falls on night hours. This is taking into account the fact that during the day there is almost always someone at home. And if working people leave at 7-8 in the morning and arrive at 8-9 in the evening, the benefits are obvious. Plus energy saving lamps.

When we decided to install a water meter, we guessed that the consumption rates were too high. But we decided to pay more or less - it doesn’t matter, the main thing is what we have consumed and paid for. But it turned out that the monthly payment for water is now exactly three times less than it would have been without the meter! For 4 years it paid off more than once. When the time came to do the verification, they called the master to draw up an act with what testimony we remove it, when the master removed the seals and my husband took off the meter in front of his eyes and put a new one, he immediately put a seal, wrote an act and said that many do this, but the old one do not throw away. After 3 years, you will take it in check and change it back.

For two people, the payment for water has decreased by 4 times. And this is taking into account the dishwasher and the washing machine. And that is, in our house there are individual individuals, I can’t name them otherwise, sorry, who invented a new way of rinsing linen - they put it in the bathtub, turn on the water and go to a neighbor to chat, for half an hour their linen rinses excellently. And taking into account the in-house meter, this water will be paid by a club. Two-rate electricity meters are also a wonderful thing. Electricity payments dropped by one and a half times.

By the way, I was with friends in Germany, so they calculated that it is cheaper to heat cold water in a boiler at home than to use centralized hot water, and its quality is higher, since various additives are put into the main hot water. And I don't care about turning off hot water, for such cases I have a 50 liter boiler hanging at the ready, just plug it into the socket and turn two taps. And as for counting, I don't seem to save money, but all one thing is spent less than the slobs who are used to spitting on everything. It's not even a freebie, but just a disregard for everything.

I have counters for five years.When the repairs were being made, the counters were installed. But the pipes, in order to drown, had to be changed to metal-plastic in some places. DO NOT REPEAT MY STUPIDITY!
The plumbers did it, but they did not take into account that it is a 16-storey building and I live on the 11th floor. Last year, one of the neighbors put a boiler or something higher, after which, when the neighbors on the riser turn on the pressure, these pipes vibrate and hum. I pray to God that everything will work out, because breaking all the tiles and starting over ... is not part of the plans.
I do not even know what can be connected, so that the riser would hum.
I heard about the counters with a temperature mode, but they dissuaded them in the store, because over time they fly (Nothing lasts forever, but still)

I have counters for five years. When the repairs were being made, the counters were installed. But the pipes, in order to drown, had to be changed to metal-plastic in some places. DO NOT REPEAT MY STUPIDITY!
The plumbers did it, but they did not take into account that it is a 16-storey building and I live on the 11th floor. Last year, one of the neighbors put a boiler or something higher, after which, when the neighbors on the riser turn on the pressure, these pipes vibrate and hum. I pray to God that everything will work out, because breaking all the tiles and starting over ... is not part of the plans.
I do not even know what can be connected, so that the riser would hum.
I heard about the counters with a temperature mode, but they dissuaded them in the store, because over time they fly (Nothing lasts forever, but still)

We and our neighbors below also have such pipes, and they (neighbors) complain that their pipes hum and vibrate strongly when we turn on the taps. And everything is fine with us. We do not have a boiler, but these neighbors who live below us have it.

I can't imagine that there can be a hum, the wall of the pipe is even more equal than the usual one, because without rust, theoretically all joints can give swirls of the water flow, but I have never heard them hum. And even more so, I have no idea what the boiler has to do with it. I have four at home and at dachas, and not one buzzes. Maybe the neighbors have a left crane? Here he will hum.

good day to all
studied the site and came across the topic.
I live in a five-story building that is being resettled. but the term is all to be postponed and postponed, in short, since 2005 we have been sitting on suitcases, and therefore we are trying to invest in an apartment as little as possible.
but about a year ago in the house for some reason they began to actively rent apartments.
15 Uzbeks live on top, 10 Ukrainians live in the next entrance,
in short, the ambush water bills began to come huge
and we decided to install the counters. they cost 4500.
we put them in December 2007 and were just stunned
water consumption in bills has decreased incredibly, judge for yourself:
hot water was 35 and sometimes 42 cubic meters
now within 16 cubes
cold was 50 cubes
now within 13 cubes
the result, as they say on the face, the counters have already paid off
people BET THE COUNTERS don't let them profit from yourself !!!!!!

Basically, it decreases due to the fact that you do not pay for leaks in the main pipes, and this is included in those notorious 10 cubic meters, and if the house is on the collective meter for those who rent apartments. I already wrote that without denying myself anything, they began to pay almost 3 times less. At first, the savings were greater, but our homeowners' association and the meeting decided that we pay like this, those who have counters - according to the counter, the rest according to the cubes laid down per person, and since there is an intra-house counter, the cubes left from this are scattered at everyone. So you have to pay a little more, but all one is much cheaper.
And psychologically it does not work on everyone, our neighbors spend more money after installing the counter. But all because of their carelessness.

I also saved 1200 rubles for the first month. The counter cost 3900, but it will pay off in 3.5 months. Moreover, the children are in the country, we are not at home.
Previously, they wrote on us 40 cubic meters. each water, now - 20 and 15.
But I also know a family where they began to pay more, so analyze your expense and make a decision.

It is estimated that in Moscow as a whole, with the massive installation of apartment meters, Mosvodokanal began to receive almost 3 times less money from individuals. It is not for nothing that they raise the issue of a sharp rise in tariffs, the planned income is not met, but the costs remain the same.

The counter was installed 1.5 years ago. I will tell everyone who thinks to bet or not. UNIVERSAL - Put! The savings are amazing! For a family of 5 people, the savings amounted to 800 - 1200 rubles in the first months. They did not track them further. In summer it is even less, because parents are mostly at the dacha. One more thing, do not forget to turn off the hot water when it is turned off for the duration of some work (during that hated period from 2 weeks to 20 days). Since the meter is spinning at this time, passing cold instead of hot, and you will have to pay as if you were hot (last year they got stuck on this).

Counters must be set unambiguously! I even installed individual gas heating and I pay according to the gas meter for a maximum of UAH 150 (for heating, hot water + consumption by a gas stove). This is 5 times less than before. I pay for water about 30 UAH (150 rubles) for two, at the rate of 90 UAH (450 rubles). Installation cost 210 UAH (1100 rubles) - this is a 100 UAH meter and 110 UAH installation. Yes ... you also have prices for installation in Moscow! And a two-tariff electricity meter is not profitable for us: from 7 am to 11 pm it is 6 times more than at night (52 kopecks during the day, 9 kopecks at night), well, you won’t wait until night to turn everything on. Like this!

And why wait, many devices - washing machines, dishwashers, bread makers have timers. So use them to drive consumption into a cheap period.

At the beginning of this topic, I wrote that it would be unprofitable for us to install counters. Over the past six months, the situation has changed dramatically ... In our house, the bulk of the residents have connected their meters, and now everything that remains is scattered on the rest. In October, a water bill came in so much that it got scary. And finally, I started the procedure for checking the meters. While in the process of waiting for how they will deliver, I will definitely write what happens. Although now it is clear that my calculations in February are already outdated. Today, the cost of installing / checking the meters will pay off in 2-3 months.

Actually, what I want to say. It is unprofitable for the time being. As soon as most of the tenants install meters in your house, and they stop adding "extra" cubes, it immediately becomes a profitable business ... Yes, and water is not cheap now. In January, prices for communal apartments will be raised in Russia again.

Moreover, if you have a dishwasher and a washing machine. Well they consume cold water. And it is much cheaper than hot.

[Mams]

Actually, what I want to say. It is unprofitable for the time being. As soon as most of the tenants install meters in your house, and they stop adding "extra" cubes, it immediately becomes a profitable business ...

Mams , but we have the opposite. As soon as most of the residents in the house installed meters, the rest began to receive a bill for hot water for a very small amount. Last month I received a bill for 0.9 cubic meters. for 53 rubles.
Probably everywhere in different ways. Somewhere it makes sense to put them, but somewhere not.

[Yana]

Yana, and how much do meter owners pay? After all, they should not pay more than those who are without meters, because all the one remaining water consumption produced by them will not be less. And why did your payments fall - and there were fewer people who poured water into the sewer, hoping that everyone would pay for it. With the counter, everyone treats this differently.

[Yana]

Yana, and how much do meter owners pay?

torturesru , of course, meter owners pay more + 30 rubles per month for maintenance + 1800 rubles for checking the meter every 3 years and 5 years + repair at their own expense + monthly running around with meter readings in EIRTs.
So I think, does it make sense to put it?

We do not need to run in the EIRTs, we agreed on how much we put on a monthly basis, and at the end of the year we either pay extra or pay less for the resulting overpayment.

When a utility bill comes in, there is a line for reading in the notice. You write it down and that's it.

[Yana]

Yana, for the maintenance of the meters, I immediately paid 360 rubles. in a year. For verification - 600 rubles. for each, that is, only 1200 rubles. + 360 rub. The cold water meter should be checked in 2012, and the hot one in 2014. That is, 4 and 6 years, respectively.The only thing I still had to do was to replace the valves that cut off the water in the apartment. I paid 2500 rubles for this. (they say they take less in other districts of Moscow).

About water consumption. While it is difficult to say how much it will take me a month, but in 1.5 weeks - cold 4 cubes, hot 3 cubes, that is, about 16 cubes cold, hot - 12 cubes a month. In the bill for the month they write to me: 32 cubes of cold, 32 cubes of hot, not sickly, right? In rubles, it looks like this:

Submitted: cold water - 404 rubles, hot water - 1937 rubles. + drainage system 620 r. = 2961 p.

Real: cold water - 188 rubles, hot water - 690 rubles. + drainage system 254 r. = 1132 p.

In total, I overpaid a month 1800 R. This is already the cost of checking the meter. For the sake of fairness, I will say that there was only one such a wild bill this year, on average, you have to pay for water 2300-2500. But it's still not so much as water actually comes out. For six months I have already overpaid approx. 5000 rubles ... that's the arithmetic.

[Mams]

Mams It seems that at the price of replacing plumbing valves, they believe that you have a branch of the mint at your house. It was half the price for me. And according to the invoices that they put out - you probably live there in half of the apartments in the gypsy camp, that's why they spend so much water. And about the real numbers - how many people live in your apartment, it still seems to me a bit too much. But in any case, the installation of meters turned out to be profitable for you ...
Except that our diplomats will get permission to raise tariffs twice a year in connection with the crisis, the Moscow Duma has already spoken about this, and Mosvodokanal has already squeaked that it wasn’t enough money for it when people began to install meters. It's just that then it is not clear why the same organization was the initiator of the installation of general house meters ...

It is interesting ... if meters are installed in all apartments in the house, to whom they will write off all the balances ...

Not interesting :( Everything will depend on the form of ownership. We have managed to forgive the HOA, and according to its charter, the whole partnership is the payer, that is, the leftovers are scattered at everyone, otherwise the mosvodokanal may stop supplying water to the house. Another thing is that then the HOA has the right through the court to knock out money from defaulters from any penalty until the eviction of these personnel with the sale of apartments.However, so far there have been no such precedents, i.e. evictions. wholesale, by the type of prepayment at one price, and only then resell to persons not included in it, but living in the house at a different price

[Mams]

Mams It seems that at the price of replacing plumbing valves, they believe that you have a branch of the mint at your house. It was half the price for me. And according to the invoices that they put out - you probably live there in half of the apartments in the gypsy camp, that's why they spend so much water.

In our house there are a couple of defaulters whose apartment bill exceeded 50,000 rubles ... Recently, a leaflet with debtors was hung at the entrance ... Apparently, in this way they are trying to collect what was missing.

Replacing plumbing. The house across the street is also cheaper, but there is a different housing office and different prices. They are all private now ... they do what they want. True, plumbers are normal people, they come at the first call, and when it's convenient for me. I don't sit all day, I agree on a specific time ... If something needs to be corrected - well, some small faucet has started to leak - they do it for free

The house is mostly municipal, many apartments are rented out (after the resettlement of five-story buildings, a lot of people received 2-3 apartments per family). In the last 3 months, one of the apartments was undergoing a rather serious renovation, apparently there are no meters in it ... everyone paid together. There definitely lived a brigade ... Already this month the bill came less.

In general, the housing office is a state institution and should work at clear prices. Another thing is that their staff is trying to shoe as they want. Homeowners' associations have the right to conclude agreements with any other management companies and generally do whatever comes to mind.Here at our friends' meeting, they decided to plant a concierge and collect five hundred rubles from an apartment for her salary. Under the new housing code, in this case, the decision of the majority of the members of the partnership is binding for the minority and non-members of the partnership living in the house. True, it has not yet come to extorting money from non-payers.
Something similar is happening now in dacha cooperatives. There, if the people are passive, the cooperative turns into a feeding trough for the chairmen.

In general, the housing office is a state institution and should work at clear prices.

Not anymore. Since last year, as such, housing offices are part of the management company, and it is private. The house should choose such a company by a general meeting (if there are non-privatized apartments in the house, they will not be asked, most of the apartment owners decide). So now ... I know for sure that our house is run by a private company. As a result - their prices for services. For housing and water - yes, they are installed by Mosvodokanal, Moszhil ... someone there, Mosgorteplo. For plumbing maintenance services, salaries and so on - the company decides everything itself ...

We have something similar - a cooperative and a rogue chairwoman. Only given the passivity of the majority with her reluctance to fight. And the problem is not so much with plumbers and electricians, they do not charge much, but with the salaries of the chairman and accountant. This year we came up with 25 thousand a month and the 13th prize :) The works from them, respectively, are zero! I was very upset when the people put the meters - we have hot water according to the EIRTs, and cold water from the cooperative, but now she yells that everyone should pay extra for non-payers, otherwise the whole house will be turned off. True, while this monthly pooling is within 300 rubles and this is tolerable.

Please tell me, how much do you pay for meter maintenance? We have meters installed for free today (a municipal apartment), and the service contract indicates 30 rubles. for one counter, and I have 4! Well, wow - 144o rubles. in year. And the contract is drawn up immediately for 6 years! And after all, you will not refuse, although in-those looked, in other firms 2 times cheaper.

Peace be with you bakers!
Maxim, you know, we don't pay for the service anyway
there is no separate column, but during installation we were charged for service
360 rubles for 2 counters

Suddenly someone else will need:
there is an order of the Moscow Department of Economic Policy indicating the maximum prices for services for the installation, maintenance, repair (etc.) of meters, more of which they cannot take from you, but less is please. We were charged the maximum price. Probably because with a free installation you don't have to choose.

We also signed a 1-year service contract. Cost - 360 rubles for both counters.

Maxim, why do you have 4 jokes?

We have 2 risers at different ends of the apartment - a kitchen and bathrooms on opposite sides, hence 2 sets of meters.

How strange everyone has 360 rubles for service, but we were billed for 696 rubles. and they wrote that "The cost of servicing one water meter is: 29 rubles per month, according to order No. 71-R of the Department of Economic Policy and Development and a maintenance contract."