Yulchita
Quote: Rita

How many dishes will be broken ...
Well, I don’t know ... my eldest from the age of 9 has been taught to assemble it, disassemble it, while there were no losses ... If you think so, then my 3 at the same time at the table should not be put so at all. From them there are more broken dishes while eating then they touch it, then OH ... I inadvertently). Nothing, nothing - let them drag it around, they will beat you to buy a new one.
Yulchita
I specially called a friend, a cat. looking at me, I also bought a dishwasher but 45 cm (kitchen 5 sq m - do not turn around and only because of this). She has a family of 4 people. HER opinion "Not enough", the kitchen would definitely take 60x60 more. Therefore, one more +
Oca
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Legend:
** - lockers (in 2 tiers)
# - table
@ chairs
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-O- sink (2 bowls)

Here, I drew a plan of my kitchen, I hope everyone will display it normally and the walls will be even. From the PMM to the sink no more than 40 cm, the door of an 80 cm cabinet under the sink barely opens. A bit cramped ... but still a 60 cm dishwasher got in, pushing out the refrigerator. I also thought of taking her to the bathroom, but no, I left her in the kitchen
Along the wall, which is between the two doors, cabinets with a useful depth of about 35 cm, on the table top (under the edge) there are HP, 3 MV (side to side), microwave and AG - this is where the length of the table top ends.
klazy
wow, task :))
I talked again with my husband, we will still put 60cm ... she, of course, is stupid, but she will fit.

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in general, something like this
# - washer
o - washbasin
0 - bathroom
@ - dishwasher

Giraffe
Girls, maybe you can draw a plan with all the dimensions, take pictures and upload photos? Even better is a photo of the kitchen. And then I look at these drawings and have a bad idea.
toffee
Quote: Yulchita

I specially called a friend, a cat. looking at me, I also bought a dishwasher but 45 cm (kitchen 5 sq m - do not turn around and only because of this).
5 sq. m nowhere to turn around ?? And how do you like these dimensions - width. 228 cm. length 234cm. And I want to put the PM on 45 cm., Although initially there was a tabletop in my dreams ...
toffee
And ask Mona? Does anyone have a BoschSPV40E30RU? Here it costs 15 thousand rubles, which is quite acceptable.
mowgli
YESTERDAY MY Kaiser dishwasher BROKEN 45 cm, I called the master, and I went to look at the new full-size one. If there is somewhere to put a full-size typewriter, then you need to take it .. I have a family of 3 people, it is true that young people-friends of my children come, but this is not critical and I regretted 100 times that I did not take a large one .. The master said that my Kaiser will still work ... Suppose, of course, it will work for a long time, but if the question arises about buying a new one, I will take a full-size one. And I advise everyone !!!
toffee
Mowgli, if the issue of space and money is not too important, then Kaiser can either be sold, or donated to someone, or left, for example, for children (if they study in another city). If you have come to the decision that 60 is better, then it may make sense to buy it.
mowgli
Quote: iris. ka

Mowgli, if the issue of space and money is not too important, then Kaiser can either be sold, or donated to someone, or left, for example, for children (if they study in another city). If you have come to the decision that 60 is better, then it may make sense to buy it.
in space is not important ... but in money
Marina2013
I chose between 45 and 60. 45 Copactno would have stood in the corner, and because of the 60s the table was almost in the corridor. But!!!! Having downloaded for the first time, I and a 2-year-old child had breakfast and lunch, and did not regret at all that we took 60.I understood the phrase "Play Tetris" while loading the dishes :)
tanya123
I chose for a long time and figured out which is better to take 45 or 60, but to communicate with the users of the PPM, I decided for myself that I would take only for 60.
Now they are connecting it, I can't wait to try it out ...
Alenka212
Girls, just don't hit. There was a need for a built-in Vosh 53 x 45 cm to switch to half load. In which basket should the dishes be loaded (upper or lower) at the same time. Somewhere I read about it when choosing a typewriter, but now it took off. When I was on vacation or on weekends, I recruit (for a family of 2 adults and a child) for a day on a full load. And we went to work and to the garden, we eat at home only in the evening and we are tired of walking in search of "something else to put in there". Pots and unused cups, glasses, salad bowls, etc. have already been washed. Help !!!
Vinochek
In the instructions for my Bosch 53L it is written that it doesn't matter where - there is a sensor in the PMM, it automatically detects.
Alenka212
Thanks, I will experiment.
Annet_T
Hello everyone! After reading a couple of comments, I want to add on my own, the same thing that was said by many :-) If there is room in the kitchen, and finances do not allow a little to purchase a full-size PMM, better save up some money and still take a full-size car, otherwise you will be manually cleaning the pots: - \, because one 5-6 liter saucepan and plates fit on the bottom shelf, or two liter pots and that's it, there are no places٩ (● ˙ — ˙ ●) ۶ do not repeat the mistakes of many! And you will be happy ╰ (* ´︶` *) ╯
fronya40
So I want to leave my comment. I got a present from myself for the new year, Hmm. It took me a long time to choose, I started with the desktop one, but my friend persuaded ... then I saw that there was nowhere to put the desktop one and bought a narrow one. Strange as it may seem, a place was found so, it is not enough for me with 2 family members, and not special cooking .. these pots, jars, pans, molds ... they do not always fit ..
Well, I don’t want to imagine life without it, this is a miracle machine, I can only compare it with a washing machine :-)
Chizh
I always repeat to myself that it is better not to save on equipment. Moreover, with regard to capacity
Alenka212
Quote: Chizh
it is better not to save on equipment
Very correct words. And yet everyone is better off looking according to their needs. There are three of us in the family. But in the morning we quickly run to work, from the dishes only cups and spoons. Lunch is not at home. And in the evening, a full dinner of several dishes: freshly prepared and taken out of the refrigerator. The meal does not go without salad or preparations. There are a lot of dishes on the table. On weekends, breakfast, lunch and dinner are available in full. Dishes accordingly.
For a couple of years now, the owner of a narrow 45cm PMM Vosh (it seems that there are 10 sets). Do not believe it, enough. And I didn't want to anymore. During the harvesting period, I stuff a bunch of cans into it for washing at 70 degrees.
True, I have few pans. I cook more often in a cartoon, pressure cooker or pizza maker. I don’t pour the first into another pot. But there are always a lot of storage molds.
So to each his own. And if there is no room for a full-sized one, then it is not always worth denying yourself a narrow one.

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