Gypsy
I like the carousel, it's convenient. True, sometimes I have something that the thread fell into the far corner and it is problematic to wash there.

Met almost your semicircular version
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sink box
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kolynusha
Cvetaal, you have a sofa in the central part of the living room. He is very massive and respectable. I would make the stand light and airy for perception. Bolivar will not stand two.

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Cvetaal
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Cvetaal, you have a sofa in the central part of the living room. He is very massive and respectable. I would make the stand light and airy for perception. Bolivar will not stand two.

kolynusha, thanks for your options In my photos, the sofa looks like a kind of monster, in reality it is not, its dimensions are 3.5 x 2.5 m.The bar counter will slightly rise above the back of the sofa, that is, only the table top will be visible from the living room side and it seems to me that it (the rack) does not look bulky (the Gypsy version). Or maybe I'm wrong ...

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k.alena
Ladies, let me insert myself into your discussion, I like to twist and twist furniture to arrange. Cvetaal, your sofa is all so soft, round ... IMHO, the rack proposed Gypsy, not quite right. It is broken, for a more "rectangular" interior, but it will suit you more in a semicircle, repeating the arc of the back of the sofa (although, probably, then it will not be very practical). It is also necessary to take into account not only the view from the hallway, the interior is more for you and not for the guests. And you walk around, so the view from the kitchen is also important. In this regard, I support kolynusha in terms of lightness of construction (the one on the 2nd photo I like). There are quite enough cabinets in the kitchen (by the way, I also liked the kitchen), and they are not necessary in the bar counter. And in terms of cleaning it is easier
marinal
Dear shuska, since you say that you understand this issue, would you be so kind to tell me how to properly make the redevelopment so that a 2-room apartment turns out to be a 3-room one.
I am sending three projects because we cannot decide which one is better to buy so that we get a three-ruble note, since there is not enough money for the three-ruble note.
I would be very grateful for your help 🔗
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these are three kopeck pieces with slightly different footages and different layouts

Girls tell me which is better and how to make the redevelopment better
thanks for the help
Berry
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And I planned for myself a double gas surface, because as far as I can remember, a maximum of two pieces are included .. and even with the advent of all sorts of electric pots such as a rice cooker and a slow cooker. One thing is depressing, I walked over the local stoves, double ones are all without cast-iron pieces of iron and cost the same as for 4 beautiful pieces with cast iron, it's a shame to overpay and buy not what I would like.
The advantage of the double is that it gives more work surface, for example, for the same electric pots.
When I ordered the kitchen, I also thought about a double surface, I even found it with cast-iron grates (Electrolux has it). But at the last moment I bought everything with 4 burners. I was scared, but suddenly she will not be enough. Although in reality more than 2 burners are not used by me. rarely when 3 (when waiting for guests). And for the price they are really the same as the 4's.
Gypsy
marinal, in my opinion (I myself dream of making a three-ruble note with four), the second and third options for chopping off one more bedroom are better. Everything here rests on the windows, you will not make a bedroom without a window, but the living room with one piece with the kitchen is just right, even if there is no window in the living room, but there will be access to natural light from the kitchen window.

well, here, navayla for a test
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Entrance hall, she is the living room, she is the kitchen ..a great flight for your imagination In a chopped-off bedroom, I gave you a place for a locker
k.alena
marinal, at first impression, the most attractive 3rd option (Gypsy,). 1st - it is generally difficult to change something, 2nd - embarrassed by the presence of an incomprehensible object near the entrance, clearly not related to the apartment (an elevator or something) and the passage room (or biting off a piece from it on the corridor) is also not pleasant. And the third is the most favorable for redevelopment. And 2 full bathrooms. You can put a shower in the ondom. a cabin and a washing machine, and in the second a bath, etc. The wall, as in gypsies, the first thing that comes to mind. But if you think about it with accurate dimensions and as accurate as possible the dimensions and arrangement of the proposed furniture, then you can dream up. The first condition for redevelopment is to clearly define the purpose of the rooms and the set of furniture in each. Since it may happen that some object does not fit on some 3-5 cm, and the wall can initially be moved.
shuska
Gypsy, quite "live" options
Gipsy, k.alena, girls, you say everything correctly.
But you have forgotten the most important thing - the wishes and needs of the customer.
marinal did not specify the task for us. We do not know either the composition of her family (whether the 3rd room will be living or not), or the intended purpose of the rooms, or personal planning preferences (for example, I do not want to have a kitchen-studio at home. Definitely!), Or the interests of the owners (for example , whether companies gather at home). A lot depends on this in redevelopment.
And, of course, I absolutely agree with k.alena that it is better to carry out all the work with the exact dimensions of the premises (although, I understand, if the question is about buying, then this is difficult at this stage).
I can express my vision of this redevelopment only after clarifications marinal
Gypsy
What I drew is just a way to conjure up another room. It seems to me that if a person does not have enough funds for more rooms, but what is needed is more, most likely each family member would like to have a separate room, whether it is a bedroom or an office, or a workshop, it doesn’t matter, all the same, such rooms need a window. And to name this room or furnish it with furniture is already a master's business.You can always separate the kitchen with a wall and put the door, just click the mouse on the drawing. I'm afraid in this case one room will turn out dark
shuska
About the layout of the kitchen.
As for me, there are several points on the 3rd floor of the apartment.
In the original drawing, the kitchen is single-row. It looks like nothing, but pay attention to the squares in the wall. These can be ventilation ducts. This will make it difficult to attach the upper sections and may cause additional problems. The version of the gypsy, where the kitchen is placed under the window, also has its own pitfalls. Firstly, the hob is inconveniently located (it is difficult to use the distant comfort, and there may be problems with the hood). With this version of the kitchen of the hinged sections, only 2-3 pieces fit, and this is not enough (especially for girls from our forum). Do not hang a drawer over the sink. At first glance, something like this
zvezda
And I just like the last option more ..... I myself, 25 years ago, remade a one-room apartment into a two-room apartment, since the electric stove is ... and it still remains ... only the furniture is changing !!!
marinal
There are three of us (me, my husband and the little girl).
The attitude to the studio kitchen is positive, but from the requirements ... the child has a large room, we have a small bedroom for a bed and a wardrobe if possible, but the hall is for receiving guests and watching TV.
For some reason I liked the second version of the apartment, it seems that it is the smallest 67m2 in size, but somehow it is closest to my liking with a gypsy redevelopment. I liked that the kitchen table is under the window, the corner kitchen comes out (it seems to me that it fits more into the corner), and somehow it is more convenient to move around the perimeter. Well, and a sofa with a TV set aside, and not right next to the kitchen. liked it very much
marinal
Or maybe even move the wall of the bedroom and the hall will become wider, and also block the corner near the toilet and make it like a pantry, because the apartment has no balconies (even the vacuum cleaner has nowhere to put, and also the bicycles of the husband and the cub)
shuska
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Or maybe even move the wall of the bedroom and the hall will become wider, and also block the corner near the toilet and make it like a pantry, because the apartment has no balconies (even the vacuum cleaner has nowhere to put, and also the bicycles of the husband and the cub)
It all depends on the size of the walls. But I would not advise to greatly reduce the area of ​​the room, all the same it will be a constantly "working" room, in contrast to the hall. And she's not very big anyway.
About the corner near the toilet. If the dimensions allow, you can make a corner sliding mirror cabinet there (the mirror in the hallway will not hurt). You can also look for a place for cabinets on the wall to the right of the entrance and in a corner opposite a large bathroom (of course, if, again, the dimensions allow)
zvezda
In the one with an elevator, there is one option, if you move the wall in the middle room up to about 12m, and make a good storage room near the second toilet in the bedroom (although what I understood is there is a balcony there ??)
k.alena
I also liked this option. The only thing I have are cockroaches - I don’t like that when we enter the apartment, we immediately find ourselves "at the ball", that is, in the living room. But there IMHO, if desired, it is not difficult to separate the space.
Only the kitchen needs to be thought out (in any case, at least to move the sink) and be ready for artificial lighting
I now have a kitchen combined with a living room and have a bay window and a loggia ... and the north-east side - there is practically no sun. Spot lighting on the ceiling along the countertop and lighting under the top cabinets and on the hood absolutely satisfies my needs. (And I like it to be very light) Therefore, IMHO, this is not a problem.
Another such moment, giving the child a room, we think that we need more, so that all the zones of our apartment can fit in his separate world (I reasoned in the same way). As a result, while the baby was small, the living room turned into a nursery, because this room (as a rule) gathers everyone, well, the baby needs to be with everyone. This is already older begins to periodically retire (now we are 8.5 years old). And the elder generally lives "at home". This I do not mean to reduce the nursery, but to take this fact into account in the size of the living room. So that the whole family can be accommodated comfortably. Well, and also the factor of "guests", how often and in what quantities.
And even with a real choice, twist the plans this way and that, what does the soul lie to? Consider other factors as well: the location of the house (or is it all in the same house?), The cardinal directions where the windows face, the number of storeys (the higher, the more sun, but stomping is also higher if the elevator does not work). Is there an elevator shaft or a ladder behind the wall (noise can spoil your nerves)? Having summed up everything, stop at one, and you can already twist it together
marinal
This is some kind of nightmare while I was writing the answer ... the topic was moved somewhere and I am typing for the third time
Only, that we came from viewing the obyekt ... I liked the apartment of 57 meters ... the only thing, but ... if you take the largest window into the bedroom ... then it turns out that the kitchen and living room are illuminated by one window of 70-80 cm ... not enough for me ... but if everything is decorated in bright colors, then maybe it will not be dark ... we also looked at an apartment of 58m2, it is at least 9 m or less, but with windows in it is somehow thicker if you manage to somehow then fence off the bedroom then ... the kitchen-living room will come out quite light ... but the width of course .. kitchen wall + 1m + rug + sofa ... something like this .. 🔗

do not be surprised that I immediately have photos to the place .. they just have 4 demonstration apartments in their house ... like how to unscrew a kopeck piece from a 1-to-46-meter apartment ..
came to the conclusion .. DESIGNERS are great people, so we glued the new upholstery and the furniture is not old, but still plows everything up with the Council of Deputies, and a knowledgeable person knows how to modernize everything and even do something decent on a small footage
I really look forward to advice
Gypsy
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This is some kind of nightmare while I was writing the answer ... the topic was moved somewhere and I am typing for the third time
Only, that we came from viewing the obyekt ... I liked the apartment of 57 meters ... the only thing, but ... if you take the largest window into the bedroom ... then it turns out that the kitchen and living room are illuminated by one window of 70-80 cm ... not enough for me ... but if everything is decorated in bright colors, then maybe it will not be dark ... we also looked at an apartment of 58m2, it is at least 9 m or less, but with windows in it is somehow thicker if you manage to somehow then fence off the bedroom then ... the kitchen-living room will come out quite light ... but the width of course .. kitchen wall + 1m + rug + sofa ... something like this ..Furniture for kitchen
So which picture (plan) of the apartment did you choose?
Gypsy
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Or maybe even move the bedroom wall and the hall will become wider
Moved
Here is something like this about mirrors, they are highlighted in red on the walls, arrows showed how the light will be reflected in them.
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you can try to cut the bedroom wall obliquely so that the light better gets into the recreation area.
Cvetaal
marinal, my kitchen-living room is about 30 sqm, and there is one window. I also thought that the lighting was not enough, the solution was simple: 17 ceiling lamps, 1 chandelier with 18 bulbs and kitchen lighting. Enoughs how! We practically don't turn on the chandelier. Yes, I forgot about the ceiling, it is glossy, it also adds light.
Gypsy
marinal, option with a pantry instead of a toilet. And rebuilt the bedroom wall.

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in the pantry, I propose to put a washer and dryer on two floors. Sewerage / duct is already provided there.
marinal
Oh! I already really like this apartment. If we don’t find anything else, we will take this one.
Lisss's
Gypsy, help, pliz, help!

as they say, to whom what, and the hammer - millet ... in my opinion, in your picture there was such a brown kitchen and in it on the right in the corner under a wall cabinet a micra was suspended. suspended so that its roof is directly under the cabinet. shoveled the topic - I can't find
Gypsy
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this?
lina
specially for Lisss's
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hid
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instead of stools
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lina, Thank you

I won't fit like that, PMM is higher than the coffee machine, but - let's take into account, I'm already looking around the walls

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this?

no, not this one there, it was below the level of the bottom of the cabinets, under the cabinet in the corner ... I just can't find it. there is a corner kitchen, corner on the left, and micra on the right under the cabinet
Luysia
Explain to me .....

How do you put microwave ovens like that? Is it just for those without a grill?

In my LG with a grill, the top of the grill is particularly hot and therefore there is a perforation in the case, which the manufacturers write cannot be closed.
Gypsy
Girls, try to download the program on the Ikea website, it's not even bad for bezrybe. You can move walls, windows, furniture .. the picture is then shown in 3D. I like it. My husband and I play it all day today. Conveniently, it's better than drawing on graph paper, then redrawing a million times. True, it is buggy, cheto does not want to show the saved file in a normal scale now, I wanted to show a screenshot of the room, so everything fit into it perfectly.
Only this scale can be shown:
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Gypsy
Quote: Luysia

Explain to me .....

How do you put microwave ovens like that? Is it just for those without a grill?

In my LG with a grill, the top of the grill is particularly hot and therefore there is a perforation in the case, which the manufacturers write cannot be closed.
probably without grill, the most common for heating.
lega
I do not have a grill, but there are holes for steam out on top, and the instructions indicate a distance of 10 cm from the holes.
Gypsy

True, it is buggy, cheto does not want to show the saved file in a normal scale now, I wanted to show a screenshot of the room, so everything fit into it perfectly.


Everything is fine, it's me buggy I had to press the * house * button and it all worked
lina
Quote: Luysia

Explain to me .....
How do you put microwave ovens like that? Is it just for those without a grill?
In my LG with a grill, the top of the grill is particularly hot and therefore there is a perforation in the case, which the manufacturers write cannot be closed.

mine with the grill. the top is hot. but there is a place! nothing is closed. it is lazy to measure, but a hand with a rag gets through.
Pakat
Sweet Home 3D 2.4 is a cross-platform application for interior design: it will help you to arrange furniture in rooms most successfully. Written in Java.
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Gypsy
Pakat, thanks, maybe I'll use it for now, it seems to suit .. it has drawbacks, the walls of the rooms are only square-shaped, they are not made in a semicircle or hexagonal, and the windows are only square-shaped, but I need an arched one.

Well, here, I took a screenshot of the pictures, this is, as an example, the simplest room. I got confused with the kitchen-salon yesterday

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Furniture is only ikeevskaya, but in shape and size it is quite possible to choose for clarity of the arrangement.
I should have this bed and this table in this room
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the legs with the bedside table are swapped.
.. and it’s not a problem to pick up a closet, I didn’t even count on it, it seemed to me that it wouldn’t fit in there, it turns out it did!

This is the kitchen dash dining room dash living room - starting the beginning of the path
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jelen
Well done! All in the mind! The work surface where the computer is located is large. I think that find a bedside table in size and roll it under it, especially since the height is well regulated, at the very same it costs And that the room is kunya-study-bedroom, then this is normal! I have a kitchen on an insulated loggia with a "warm" floor. And the kitchen itself was converted into a living-dining room. It's also good, because we don't have a gas stove, but electricity. I have only two-burner glass-ceramics, an airfryer, a multi-hotter and a "Brown" steamer. Enough.
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Gypsy
Thank you, I liked it myself
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The work surface where the computer is located is large. I think that find a bedside table in size and roll it under it, the more the height is well regulated, this one is worth
no, no, the furniture will not be ikeevskaya, I just used their program to estimate. The table and bed will be made in Israel, I showed the photo above. Israeli ones seem to me better in quality, more natural (MDF and pine) and inexpensive.
Gypsy
Hairpin, my photos are mostly Israeli, and there is practically no heating here. And the temperature in the house depends on the season and the temperature outside.
Hairpin
Yes, I understood! I clarified it just in case!

About the two combs. I have an Ariston two-burner hob. I regularly run to the mirror and stroke myself on the head, which five years ago was not greedy (a two-burner and a four-burner are almost the same) and took two comforts. With my collection of devices, there has never been a shortage of comforters! If there were two pancake pots, I could fry on two. But my pancake pan is small.
jelen
Gypsy! Thanks for the link! I'll sit in the evening and stare! I also use an ikeevsky designer, and my dream is fulfilled by a husband with golden hands, since now we have a lot of stores with furniture boards, ready-made doors, roll-out structures from different manufacturers, it turns out cheaper, but looks very solid and non-standard!
Gypsy
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and dreams come true husband with golden hands
mogo has ordinary hook hands
on this topic link
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Gin
A few pages earlier, a microwave was placed in the kitchen. And I bought a book the other day Irina Fomicheva "Folk recipes for a microwave oven"which has a section "Where is the best place to place the microwave oven" - maybe someone will come in handy when arranging a kitchen

The ideal place for a microwave oven is a separate table or can be positioned on brackets. The brackets provide airspace and can hold up to 60kg. It is advisable to place the stove so that it does not stand close to the stove, the wall, and at least 5 cm from the edge of the table. The openings for the condensate outlet should not be covered by anything; nothing should be placed on top of the stove so that it does not overheat. It is not recommended to put the microwave oven on the refrigerator (these are incompatible devices), on a washing machine (the vibration of which can affect the operation of the oven), on a wide window sill (the oven is an electromagnetic device, and fluff, pollen from the window will be attracted to its rear panel, it cold air is also harmful). If a TV is hanging over the stove, condensation from it can affect its operation, as well as furniture.
Gypsy
jelen, do you have any furniture in the ikeevsky program? I did not find sofas, coffee tables, TVs, cots (baby).I had to stick a mirror instead of a TV, put some boxes on the floor instead of a sofa

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Lisss's
found my micra !!!!

it was in someone's file, so I ripped out a picture from there

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Gypsy
By the way, I have not yet found any cabinets or shelves for the micra in the ikea program, I picked up only a table-rack, it is just the size of my microwave. On the bottom shelf, you can shove a slow cooker, maybe the bread maker will fit too.
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Boo Boo
In the Ikeevsky prog, there are definitely lockers for mikra. In any case, they were half a year ago.
Gypsy
In mine, there are all sorts of ovens, they have a side at the bottom, the door will not open - not suitable for a micra.
Gypsy
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found my micra !!!!

it was in someone's file, so I ripped out a picture from there

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Lisss's, I look at this photo and I don’t understand, but where is the refrigerator like this is an obligatory thing in our time, more necessary than a microwave

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